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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 04:12pm on 2006-01-28
Prometheus, they say, brought God's fire down to man.
And we've caught it, tamed it, trained it since our history began.
Now we're going back to heaven just to look him in the eye,
and there's a thunder 'cross the land, and a fire in the sky.[1]

I'm just old enough to remember watching some of the Apollo launches on television, just old enough to remember watching the first lunar landing. Like an awful lot of kids of my generation, I wanted to be an astronaut (as well as wanting to be a race car driver, and a scientist).

There's legends galore in the pulp SF lore
'Bout shipwrecks of spacers a-spacin',
When meteor holes come 'tween men and their goals
By demolishing ships that they're racin'.[2]

Even as a kid I had some vague notion that space flight was Dangerous Stuff. But it was the sort of not-quite-real danger, movie danger, that a child understands as danger. I was too young to remember Apollo I. And we didn't get all that much news of the Russian space program.

For the price was paid on a winter evening
When "Fire in the spacecraft!" somebody said.
In smoke and flame the shadow passed
And in Capsule Twelve three men were dead,
In Capsule Twelve three men were dead.[3]

I remember reading, in high school, a Ray Bradbury story told from the point of view of a boy whose father died in space, and the effect that had on the boy and his mother (most of my books are still in boxes so I can't easily look it up -- was that "The Rocket Man"?). I was reminded of that story today.

And for a week, all I could see wherever I looked was crystal blue sky and a white smoke flower with dingy tips to its petals, getting bigger and bigger.

After 9/11, I walked outdoors and stared up at the deep blue sky, unstreaked by contrails or smoke, and wished for rain, snow, fog, hail -- anything but a clear blue sky betokening disaster. Even now, if there are no clouds anywhere, the back of my throat gets dry and my stomach is uneasy.[4]

Twenty years ago I was in a car with three co-workers, on our way out to or back from visiting a contractor to check on the progress of a project. I remember seeing that one of their programmers was putting IBM PC "extended ASCII" box-drawing characters into strings to be displayed by a COBOL program that was going to run on a Xenix system with several different types of dumb terminals attached. I remember how difficult it was to get him to understand that no, other computers were not all just different brand names on IBM PC clones, and why concepts like "record locking" were going to bite him in the ass. At the time, I don't think my job title had even been upgraded to "programmer" yet. I wonder whether I'd remember that quite as clearly if it were not linked to another memory.

Suddenly I feel very cold.[5]

Three years ago (minus a few days) that other memory came back and kicked me in the gut.

We got into the car, that day twenty years ago, and our supervisor turned on the radio. We heard that the shuttle had exploded.

shock

One of my co-workers asked, "Knowing what just happened, if you were offerred a seat on another shuttle going up tomorrow, would you go?"

My answer came to mind quickly, but I choked it back to reflect a moment and ask myself whether it was really the answer I truly meant. It was.

"Yes. I'd still go. I'd be scared shitless, but I'd go."

Yet the Gods do not give lightly of the powers they have made.
And with Challenger and seven, once again the price is paid.
Though a nation watched her falling, yet a world could only cry.
As they passed from us to glory, riding fire in the sky.[6]

[1] from "Fire In The Sky" by Dr. Jordin Kare
[2] from "The Ballad of Apollo XIII" by William Warren
[3] from "Memorial" by Mercedes Lackey
[4] from [livejournal.com profile] twistedchick, "Requiescat", this morning
[5] myself, 2003-02-01
[6] from "Fire In The Sky" by Dr. Jordin Kare

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posted by [identity profile] donnad.livejournal.com at 10:08pm on 2006-01-28
Have you seen/heard this?

Three years ago, it was written in a day.

At Noreacon 4, we sang it for the NASA people... they cried.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 10:02am on 2006-01-30
You showed it to me before, but then I lost track of it. Once I figure out how to make Rhythmbox play it at the right speed (Totem Movie Player plays it correctly; Rhythmbox does the Chipmunk thing) it'll go into my "shuffle" playlist (at least -- right now that's the only playlist I've defined).

If I'd remembered it, I would've quoted it. I like it a lot.

I'm not surprised the NASA people cried.
 
posted by [identity profile] doubleplus.livejournal.com at 11:25pm on 2006-01-28
Hey, I still want to be an astronaut! I'm not saying it's likely, but I'm not ruling it out. If the company I'm currently working for becomes a big success, I'm going to at least buy a ticket on Virgin Galactic.

I remember where I was, too. I worked in a building that was a converted warehouse, and we didn't get any reception inside except for one country station, so I didn't hear any of it right away, but someone found out and told us, and then I heard all about it on the way home.

I remember that we thought it was the Kennedy Assassination for the Apollo generation, the one day in our lives when we'd all remember exactly where we were. If only...

I remember sometime in the following year seeing a guy at a con with a t-shirt that said "I want to GO!", with a shuttle in the "O". He'd pinned on a button above the words with a caret and the word "still," "I (still) want to GO!"

I still want to go.
 
posted by [identity profile] deor.livejournal.com at 12:44am on 2006-01-29
If I should die in a bright burning flare,
Just take what you find and throw it in the air,
Don't grieve for my death, don't ask why for ten years,
Just build one more ship and call for volunteers.

And show me the gantry, build me the ship,
Give me the fuel and I'll go on that trip,
Now, if I return you may say I was bold,
But my place is in space as the heavens unfold.


(Urban Tapestry, "Starsoul")
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 09:37am on 2006-01-30
Now I feel like an idiot. The number of times I've sung along when that song comes around in the CD player, often with tears welling up by the end ... and how it fits with the "Yes, I'd still go" that I finished with ... and having two thirds of the band on my LJ friendslist ... I feel like an idiot for not having thought to quote it in this entry.

Thank you for quoting it here.
 
This and the largely-unremarked (in the Western world, that is) numbers of dead cosmonauts is what makes me extremely against private space tourism. If scientists and engineers working largely without the pressures of the profit motive (those bastards at Morton Thiokol notwithstanding) can't keep from killing people, what chance do they have?! As far as I'm concerned, it's less useful than regular flight test, and considerably more dangerous.

In other words, as much as I like SF, you couldn't pay me enough, and I'd be upset at you if you tried.

 
Thank you for helping me not to feel like a coward.
 
Well, I never said that my answer -- to go despite the danger -- was the One Correct Answer. Only that it's my answer.

"It's too dangerous for me" is a perfectly reasonable answer. And there are plenty of much safer things that I would not do. My answer of, "I'd go," is not because I don't think it's dangerous, or because I laugh at danger ... it's because I want to go to space that badly. Because for me, that desire, the painful stab of envy I felt when I saw photos of the first untethered spacewalk, the longing when I hear astronauts talk about being up there, is that strong.

I'd still be scared. For me, it'd be worth it anyhow. Though dying on the way up, like Challenger, would suck a whole lot worse than dying on the way home, like Columbia. If it's going to kill me, please let me at least experience being Up There before it does. (Not that one gets one's choice.)

You can want it pretty badly and still fall short of the "go for fun or for science despite the danger" threshold. I'll surely not call anyone a coward for that.

Refuse to go out of fear when your going is the only thing that'll stop the alien menace from destroying Earth or when you're the only one who can save the lives of everyone on the L5 colony habitat, and it might occur to me to consider calling you a coward then. But I don't see either of those scenarios as being at all likely to come up. For the record, I won't call you a coward for not skydiving or not free-climbing, either. Nor for refusing to walk through certain neighbourhoods.

Personally, I can't do roller coasters. Ironic, isn't it? Roller coasters have a decent safety record (there've been spectacular failures, but what's the death-per-million-rides rate?) but I'm terrified on the wimpiest kiddie coaster. Phobic. (Though I can ride Space Mountain -- being in the dark, it doesn't "look like a roller coaster" to my phobia.) So who am I to disparage anyone else for deciding they'd rather not fly up to where there's no air by sitting on a barrel of fire?

That I'd jump at the chance to go to space says what it says about me, not what I think of anyone else.
 

That I'd jump at the chance to go to space says what it says about me, not what I think of anyone else.


I didn't think you were calling me a coward - I was saying that I felt like one! You aren't mean enough to ever say that about a person. I have to say, however, that having children really does change every single aspect of your life. I noticed this when I first got pregnant, and actually *stopped* myself from trying to push the Hubby (tm) out of the way of a moving truck. Instead, I stood on the sidewalk & screamed. Turned out the truck was moving more slowly than I thought, but the entire mental process & instincts were forever changed.

And I'm w/you on rollercoasters, but they *make* them so that they feel scary but aren't. Supposedly, people like to be scared when they're really safe. Yeah, sure, whatever. & Space Mountain is now rather tame by rollercoaster standards. Sigh.
 
posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com at 09:13am on 2006-01-29
Jr high school, the rumours were circulating, and the principal finally came on the Announcements. Saw the replay, over and over, that night.

2002... Joe and I were about to board a flight back from Costa Rica; CNN was live to show the landing, and they'd just lost contact. Pilot made announcement, during flight.

Dglenn, thank you for this post.

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