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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2006-09-04 under

"What spooks me is the possibility that what these guys have actually uncovered is something Freud reported back in the 1880s, before affronted colleagues pushed him to change his story: child abuse is more commonplace than its lack. Maybe the truth is that 2/3 of all children are abused in one way or another, and so it's no big surprise that 2/3 of schizophrenic ones are too." -- Annalee Newitz (unless there's a different Annalee signing blog posts at Other magazine), 2006-07-03

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posted by [identity profile] blumindy.livejournal.com at 03:40pm on 2006-09-04
This should really be of absolutely NO surprise whatsoever to anyone who has seriously studied Freud from outside yjr Freudian domain. Who wouldn't question someone who seals all his supposedly scientific papers until after the year 2100? Who needs over 200 years worth of protection?

*sigh* I stopping my rant now :-) (Before it goes over the allowed comment length)

 
posted by [identity profile] jim-p.livejournal.com at 05:42pm on 2006-09-04
Huh? Sealed papers of Freud? This is the first I've heard of this... got a reference?
 
Start here:
http://users.rcn.com/brill/sfa_loc.html

The papers which are hidden were removed from the official Freud archives by Kurt Eissler and Anna Freud.
About 10-11 years ago (how time flies) the Library of Congress had scheduled a presentation of Freud documents and there ensued a brouhaha:

http://users.rcn.com/brill/sfa_loc.html

Prior to the Anna Freud/Kurt Eissler reign over Freud's papers, Jeffrey Masson was associated with the archive and expected to be named to run it. His book, The Assault on Truth and the nook by New York Times reporter Janet Malcolm,In the Freud Archives describe Masson's relationship with the Archives, Anna Freud and his very controversial assertions about the coverup perpetrated by Freud based on his friendship with Wilhelm Fleiss.

Masson himself is a very unusual man, admittedly. This does not means his research and its implications are false although many people have used his personality rather than credible research in attempts to discredit him.

http://www.jeffreymasson.com/freud.html
 
the first two links appear to be the same - is this what you meant to do?
 
Sorry, this is the link to the letter sent to the Library of Congress requesting that a lawyer help scholars access the documents sealed by The Freud Archives:

http://users.rcn.com/brill/swales.html
 
The best sources are the two books on the topic by Janet Malcolm and Jeffrey M. Masson. Malcolm's book, called In the Freud Archives, was the result of a multi-part piece she did for The New York Times, interviewing Masson.
Masson's own book on this topic, The Assault on Truth: Freud's Suppression of the Seduction Theory, has far more detail and I found it to be very engrossing.

As a note, I point out that Masson sued Malcolm for libel based on the articles and the book (I guess it was both pieces. Masson's writings and the excerpts of testimony I read at the time seemed to indicate that he was have either a breakdown or some serious mental strain issues. I was more interested in the historical elements of what Freud did or did not do than in Jeff Masson's mental health so I didn't concentrate on any of that.) He moved far away from NY (to New Zealand, I think) and far away from writing about Freud or psychoanalysis.
 
May I share your soapbox for a bit?

The quote below is quoting othermag.org quoting _Science Daily_ reporting on research by U of Manchester's researchers Hammersly and Read.

" With a proven (sic) connection between the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder and schizophrenia, they say, many schizophrenic symptoms are actually caused by trauma."

Um, not really. Close. Kinda, sorta. I'd be impressed if these were undergrads, it would show they were paying attention to symptomology.

Flashbacks are not hallucinations, or at least, are not normal hallucinations, and thus not the kind of abnormality that is diagnostic of schizophrenia.

Post Traumatic 'flashbacks' have certain patterns and characteristics not generally found in schizophrenic hallucinations and they, as well as the dissociative 'voices' perceived by some trauma sufferers do not respond in the same way to the drug treatments that (hopefully) quiet the symptoms of schizophrenic patients.

There is a LOT more I could go into, but as you said, there is also a limit on comment length. I'll content myself with a few additional statements.

Diagnosis by drug trial isn't much fun for the patient, but it does result in excellent aggregate data. PTSD originating from family of origin sexual abuse and Schizophrenia are two different problems. There is unfortunately, no reason that I know of why one person can't have both of them.

And finally - Yeah DUH there is a lot of child abuse going on. Yeah DUH no one wants to deal. But it is there. It is here. All around us. Everyday.
 
posted by [identity profile] sensualquills.livejournal.com at 07:34am on 2006-09-05
i'd agree with that quote.

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