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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2006-09-09 under

"There's an even bigger problem with ID. If you say our planet is too complex to be the way it is without an intelligence guiding it, and then explain that complexity by postulating that there actually is an intelligence (plus, as they don't state, a physical presence to that intelligence to let it intervene and shape our world), you explicitly don't solve the very problem your hypothesis was supposed to solve. You've actually made it worse by orders of magnitude. Rather than explaining the complexity of our world, you've now taken that complexity, and added onto it an intelligence and physical presence of an order complex enough to have guided a world of our complexity. Where did this complex 'intelligence' come from? You can't say it just always was there, because if complexity of that order can just always have been there, then complexity of our puny order can just always have been there too. Bam, no more need for ID. So we're left with only one possibility (assuming you don't at that point reject ID): God evolved from something simple. And if God can do it, why not us simpler organisms?" - - [livejournal.com profile] oliver_otter, 2005-11-15

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posted by [identity profile] eviltomble.livejournal.com at 02:37am on 2006-09-10
Ooooh, that's *delicious*, thank-you! :D Not that it seems to be an especially new idea, but it's nice to see it spelt out so compellingly well.
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posted by [personal profile] jducoeur at 05:04pm on 2006-09-18
Yep -- it's a variation of what I refer to as "the turtles problem". (After "it's turtles all the way down".) Asserting the existence of God doesn't actually solve the underlying philosophical problems, it just ducks them. Of course, most scientific explanations for where the world comes from have the same problem, in a different form: they go until they hit the philosophical brick wall, and then quietly ignore that it's there.

A lot of my current philosophizing is driven by this, and it leads me down some *very* strange roads...

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