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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2006-11-21 under

"The trash percentage of porn is so high that, unless the producers are collectively insane, most consumers must actually want images of women who are doing the bad-porn thing. [...] I am forced to the unhappy conclusion that plausibility is exactly what most porn consumers don't want. That somehow they feel better when their fantasies are safely distant from reality. All the possible reasons I can imagine for this are very sad. One reason could be simple old-fashioned sexual guilt. [...]

"A more plausible construction for most potential porn consumers today is that they have issues about female power. Men who get lots of attention from attractive three-dimensional women are not likely to be buying porn-site subscriptions. Therefore, we can safely assume that the consumers who define demand patterns for porn producers generally feel that their sex life is hemmed in by female choices and the female power to refuse. Defining the objects of their desire as 'cum-sucking sluts', to be used but not related to any emotional way, is a kind of equalizing move in the sexual-power game.

"This theory differs sharply from conventional feminist critiques pf porn, in which porn seen as a ratification of existing power relationships that privilege males. The difference is testable. If the conventional theory is correct, porn should be becoming more and more irrelevant as women become more independent -- or, at least, assume the nostalgic character of references to a golden age of male privilege that has already passed.

"On the other hand, if bad porn is a compensation for male feelings of powerlessness, we should expect it to become steadily tackier, uglier, more strident, and more popular in direct proportion to the degree that female power in the real world increases."

-- Eric Raymond, 2002-06-07

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posted by [identity profile] elbowfetish.livejournal.com at 02:48pm on 2006-11-21
With the attendant and classical stylizations and raison d'etre.

That doesn't necessarily negate all of the comments above. But it's not a new phenomenon any more than pro-wrestling is (they both do much the same thing). And while much of porn is inarguably "bad" (if taken as art, or even erotica) its function in society is not.
 
posted by [identity profile] wilhelmina-d.livejournal.com at 03:58pm on 2006-11-21
I fear it's that many or most men feel that women have too much power in being able to say no/control access to sex. In my own experience, even "good" men get angrier over this issue than any other, though they will rationalize any other reason for their anger. It's scary, angering, annoying and sad. IMHO, of course.
 
posted by [identity profile] bunnyjadwiga.livejournal.com at 04:37pm on 2006-11-21
Yup.
The sad part is that the 'lighter' porn and near-porn (Playboy, Maxim) more embrace the style of women not enjoying it than the 'nasty porn.'
And so some people tend to approve the 'lighter', worse porn more than the 'nasty' stuff.
*sigh*
 
posted by [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com at 04:55pm on 2006-11-21
Porn is a drug. The more you use it, the less the effects. Like any drug addict, the porn addict gravitates toward more "XTreme" porn. Those who use the most porn buy the most porn, and therefore steer the 'majority' market.

There's plenty of non XTreme! porn out there. It just won't be the majority, because its customers are the non-addicts, and therefore don't need an inexhaustible supply.

There's a good take on why some people prefer (despite their protestations) porn over actual relations, but this margin is already full of text.
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 06:21pm on 2006-11-21
Do you have actual evidence for saying porn is a drug, or are you just repeating one of the usual anti-porn, slippery-slope, moral panic arguments?

Porn really isn't like narcotics; there are no "porn receptors" in your brain that you're blowing out from overusing it. I also don't buy "gateway drug" arguments, since they're really a Fallacy of the Excluded Middle: How do you know the "gateway drug" causes the escalation in use, rather than some other factor you haven't taken into account? (You don't.)

On topic, I'm not sure, given how much of a biological determinist and gender essentialist ESR is, that I'm willing to buy any of his arguments on porn, either.
 
posted by [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com at 06:36pm on 2006-11-21
I'm not any of those camps, nor trying to cause a moral panic or explain how porn might be bad. But using porn *does* activate pleasure receptors, and trains the recipient appropriately, leading to some drug-like effects.

The escalation argument is based on anecdotal and personal evidence, for porn and other outlets; while connection of it to porn specifically is non-scientific (to my knowledge), the evidence of the decay of effect on repeated exposure to a stimulus -- for psychological reasons, rather than the physiological reasons associated with, e.g., narcotics -- *is* a scientifically defensible conclusion, and I feel justified in applying it to porn.

I don't think I intended to imply that using porn would lead to use of other drugs.

Perhaps my definition of "drug" is broader than you're used to; that's very possible. It's also possible my arguments only apply to a subset of porn, or a subset of users. I'm sure not against porn in general, I'm just trying to explain how random sampling can over-represent a small but active subpopulation.
 
That is to say, the problem with porn is not that it makes men into worse and worse consumers as time goes on due to an addiction effect, it's that porn - like any other kind of exposure to any other kind of thing- teaches your brin patterns. If you see violence on television, your brain becomes inured to the horrificness of violence. SImilarly with porn, when teens start viewing porn - as has become more common over the past few decades with earlier exposure to these kinds of media - the behavior portrayed is normalized - thus the increasing normalization, for example, of anal sex and "cum shots" in a woman's face for example, as normative behavior. This leads to a cycle in which what becomes normal is more and more outre. There's lots of good sociological work on this out there.
 
posted by [identity profile] flaviarassen.livejournal.com at 08:54am on 2006-11-24
It's amazing how many words it takes to say that "some guys are losers."
Tho' he loses me when he says that

a) the sleazier porn "equalizes" anything: just using that term actually buys into the mentality that thinks it in the first place.

b) *any* conventional theory confirms that porn will become more irrelevant as women grow more powerful. It's obvious that it's the other way around. Sigh.
 
posted by [identity profile] amelia-g.livejournal.com at 05:58am on 2006-11-30
I think the trash percentage is essentially economic in origin. Assuming they mean low-effort, low-quality. I know I'd be a heck of a lot more paid if I didn't care about quality. People say they care about the artistic merit of their smut, but they'll generally pay only as much for high quality as they would for any old thing. People who philosophize about how "porn" replaces three-dimensional people and relationships kind of freak me out. That's not the point of the product.

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