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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2007-02-01 under

Two today from Molly Ivins (born 1944-08-30, died 2007-01-31):

"I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth." -- Molly Ivins

"I am not anti-gun. I'm pro-knife. Consider the merits of the knife. In the first place, you have to catch up with someone in order to stab him. A general substitution of knives for guns would promote physical fitness. We'd turn into a whole nation of great runners. Plus, knives don't ricochet. And people are seldom killed while cleaning their knives." -- Molly Ivins

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posted by [identity profile] mishamish.livejournal.com at 01:37pm on 2007-02-01
A friend of mine used to echo the knife comment, but with the substitution of "sword." And I don't think he'd ever even heard of Molly Ivins. Even if you take out the tongue-in-cheek running aspect, the argument has merit. It's also much harder to kill someone with a blade than with a firearm. It would definitely require more dedication to the idea, which would take out alot of questions in juries minds to the "malice aforethought" codicile in murder cases. And if a couple of teenagers show up to school with knives? The wrestling team could probably subdue them before the SWAT team was even alerted, and with only superficial injury.

The problem with guns is that they are easy. The problem with getting rid of guns is that we already have them. If the call goes out to get rid of guns, the responsible and conscience gun owners will be the first to give them up. Then will come the careless, the ignorant, and the irresponsible, pressured into it by their peers. Which will leave the guns in the hands of the stupid, the sociopathic, and the downright evil. It's a tricky mire to traverse.
 
posted by [identity profile] selki.livejournal.com at 04:10pm on 2007-02-01
A friend of mine used to echo the knife comment, but with the substitution of "sword." And I don't think he'd ever even heard of Molly Ivins. Even if you take out the tongue-in-cheek running aspect, the argument has merit. It's also much harder to kill someone with a blade than with a firearm.

Much harder for smaller/weaker folks to defend themselves with a blade, too. And bonus points to the folks with the leisure time to get advanced training (i.e., the already rich and powerful).
 
posted by [identity profile] mishamish.livejournal.com at 04:30pm on 2007-02-01
Very true. However, the power and under-represented still have one powerful defense against the rich and powerful well-trained swordsmen that would not work NEARLY as well against anyone - rich or not - with a gun: The aforementioned running. And ANYONE can become proficient in running.

Besides, in my experience the rich and powerful of our day rarely trouble themselves with violence and historically they have had the backing of the police and the military, neither of whom I can imagine giving up the state-of-the-art weapon technology while such technology exists.

I'll also grant that smaller/weaker folks would have a hard time defending themselves against a gun, but only to an extent; much of blade work is quickness after all (short of people walking around armored). Meanwhile, it seems you are also assuming that both "combatants" would be armed. As it is rarely the case that both parties are armed in the situation of gun violence, I fail to see why we should assume it in the case of blade violence. In that case, if we assume that the majority case would be one where the offensive party has a weapon and the defensive party doesn't, then I think it works thus: A stronger person can defend themselves more easily from a blade than a weaker person could defend themselves from a blade, but a weaker person could defend themselves from a blade more easily than ANY person could defend themselves from a gun. After all, if you are being assailed by an armed person who is bigger and stronger than you, you have three options: Fight, Run, or Deflect attacks until you CAN run or until help arrives. If you choose to fight, he is bigger and stronger and armed, so your chances are fairly slim, so we can safely discount that as an unwise choice. Meanwhile, no matter how strong or how weak you are, it's easier to deflect and/or run from any form of blade than from a bullet.
 
posted by [identity profile] still-asking.livejournal.com at 04:43pm on 2007-02-02
And ANYONE can become proficient in running.


No. No, No, and No.

As a matter of fact they can't.
 
posted by [identity profile] acroyear70.livejournal.com at 02:09pm on 2007-02-01
The problem with guns is that they are easy.

I first heard (well, read) that sentiment 22 years ago, in Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns comic book miniseries. Yes, Batman said it. :)
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 02:50pm on 2007-02-01
Dark Knight is 22?
I feel real old now.
 
posted by [identity profile] mishamish.livejournal.com at 04:33pm on 2007-02-01
And it's STILL TRUE, dagnabit!
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 03:18pm on 2007-02-01
But if trebuchets were in common use, then the benefit would be a bunch of methodical, mathmatically-inclined killers. The general populace would be more cognizant of mathmatics & science. And the people trying to avoid being smacked by a trebuchet missile would still turn into a "nation of great runners". Nobody was every killed by an accidental discharge while cleaning their trebuchet.

And people who are killed by AD while cleaning their guns are just demonstrating evolution in action, anyway.
 
posted by [identity profile] mishamish.livejournal.com at 04:32pm on 2007-02-01
Hmm... I think I would want further proof that no-one was ever killed by AD while cleaning their trebuchet. I mean, the Roman Legion (just to name one example) was a fairly high-spirited bunch, and I have to imagine that ATLEAST once, some practical joker said "Psst... watch this... Hey, Graccius! The winch seems to be stuck on something! Lean in there and see what it is!"

*TWANG!*
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 07:50pm on 2007-02-01
But the Roman Legions didn't use trebuchets. They used catapults. One of the advantages of the trebuchet over the catapult is the lack of jump (which poses a major hazard to the weapons crew: historically, about 1/5 to 1/4 of the catapult crews were eventually injured or killed buy their own weapons) when the weapon is triggered.
 
posted by [identity profile] jmax315.livejournal.com at 04:56pm on 2007-02-01
"And people are seldom killed while cleaning their knives."

True. OTOH, I have managed to injure myself while sharpening a knife.

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