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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 06:54pm on 2007-03-28 under ,

I don't understand today's cars. Oh, I understand as much of how they work as I ever did, and I can drive some of them[1], but the marketing, nomenclature, and design decisions confuse me.

I got into a rental car. An economy car, I think, since my insurance company is paying for it. And as one might expect from a small car, the passenger compartment is a bit cramped. But ... the outside of this car looks like it's the same size as my Accord, which is apparently one or two size categories up. And sitting in the driver's seat, it feels like I am Surrounded By Bulk -- it's just that none of the bulk is Space I Can Use; it's all just ... in my way. And that includes being in my way of seeing out of the car, though part of that is just that the rear view mirror is too small, and another part is that I'm apparently too tall for the car (the mirror is awfully low in my field of view, and for that matter the top of the windwhield isn't very high up either -- I don't bump my head on the ceiling, but there's precious little clearance there).

I'm also confused by hearing that the Accord is now a full-size. Have Accords gotten that much larger since 1990, or has the definition of "full size" gotten that much smaller than what I'm used to? (I know it has gotten smaller; I'm just not sure how much. I used to drive a 1978 Pontiac Catalina -- pretty much the same car as the Bonneville and the Cutlas Supreme of the same period -- and by 1978 standards that was considered mid-size. Today, it would be a land-yacht, and the 1972 Mercury Marquis Brougham would look like two cars.) I'm not certain which size-class my 1990 was categorized as.

Tomorrow, I go back to Enterprise and trade this car for the hatchback that wasn't ready for me tonight. I'm hoping that whatever model that turns out to be doesn't wind up being much smaller on the inside than a Mazda 323 -- I know the double bass fits into one of those easily.

[1] The ones that I'm not too tall for.

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posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 11:17pm on 2007-03-28
I've heard that toyota car models grow with the generation that's used to buying them. Such as Corollas have steadily gotten bigger, I imagine Honda might be doing the same thing.
 
posted by [identity profile] writerjanice.livejournal.com at 02:06am on 2007-03-29
Yes to both. :)

Over the years, the "import" cars have tended to go up in size. The first generation Accord was physically smaller than the latest two generations of the Civic.

At the same time (over the last ~35 years), US automakers down-sized how they described automobile sizes. My '68 Ford Torino was a "mid-size", my '78 Ford LTD II was also, but much, much bigger (length ~20 feet). Yet, my '86 Chrysler LeBaron GTS was a large mid-size and was nearly 4 1/2 feet shorter than the car it replaced (the LTD II).

So today, we have model names that once were small or mid-sized, yet are considered full-sized by both the down-sizing of class designations and their own growth (bloat...)

Janice (who has been driving for a very long time...)

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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 02:21am on 2007-03-29
And in the other direction, some cars feel bigger on the inside than you'd guess from looking at them. My Golf is that way, actually. The Civic I test-drove a few years ago was too. It looks like the Fit might be, though I haven't been in one yet. I think some designers just aren't as interested in interior space as they should be. :-)

(What is the current rental?)
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posted by [identity profile] stori-lundi.livejournal.com at 12:32pm on 2007-03-29
Janice is right. My '94 Accord is the same size as today's civics. I didn't like the new civics though as I felt cramped in them. The new RAV4s are bigger than the older ones as well. Now my Scion xB (the box!) is about 2 feet shorter than my old accord but has TONS more room inside, a lot of it from the high roof. (You could sit in the seats with about 4 inches to spare. I put a 6'7" guy in there and his head was a couple of millimeters from the ceiling. Pretty darned impressive eh?)

I think part of it is safety. People were buying SUVs when the gas prices were low because they thought they were safer. Sure, they'd survive a crash better than a smaller car but they have a nasty tendency to roll over.

Then there is the backlast against gas guzzling SUVs and you get the current generation of sub-compacts like the Fit and the Yaris. But people still want leg room and cargo space so designers are getting creative with interior designs. Plus safety features have improved considerably so you don't have to be surrounded with several tons of steal to survive a crash.
 
posted by [identity profile] garnet-rattler.livejournal.com at 02:10am on 2007-03-30
Definitely, the size descriptions And the actual sizes have changed by model and year, not always consistently even through a given model line. My 1967 Pontiac Catalina was 18 feet long (less 1/16" for legal reasons) and so wide I could lie down across the front bench seat and have to reach over my head to touch the driver's door if my feet were touching the passenger door's inside!

And yet a late '70s Chevette was almost as roomy, for the driver, at least. A car not much more than 2/3 the size. Of course, it had no trunk space or room to work on the engine by comparison; I held a three-handed poker game in the trunk of my Catalina one day when it was raining out and we were quite comfy.
 
posted by [identity profile] madbodger.livejournal.com at 02:40pm on 2007-03-30
Honda? Full size? Nope, I'm not buying it. Heck, I remember when a Nova was a Chevy!

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