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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2007-05-16 under ,

A different format for today's quote-of-the-day entry, pasting together what ought to be a regular entry out of recent quotes Tomorrow's QotD will be in the usual format.

Reading my friendslist yesterday, I ran across several topical posts that either made me think, or said something related to what I'd already been thinking (not usually precisely the same spin on the memes presented, but close enough to want to pass along the phrasing).

Until [livejournal.com profile] firinel got me thinking about our reactions I was mostly just surprised at how little I cared, thus [livejournal.com profile] leiacat's words here ([livejournal.com profile] osewalrus shares a similar assessment of the relative importance of this event).

[livejournal.com profile] griffen wrote:

I promise I will not crow, strut, or rejoice.

However, I reserve the right to express both relief and sorrow that Jerry Falwell died today.

Relief, because he will no longer be able to persecute me and mine for his own misguided beliefs.

Sorrow, because he was never able to reach a point where he realized those beliefs were misguided, and do something to correct their effects.

[livejournal.com profile] firinel wrote:

May God bestow Zir infinate, and far more reaching than my own, mercy and forgivness on him.

May I have the time to right all the wrongs that I have wrought before I die, and find that same mercy and forgiveness awaiting me, when I do.

[livejournal.com profile] scooterbird wrote:

We are to love our enemies and wish for peace and reconciliation, even when our common, worldly sense tells us that such a thing is either impossible, or futile, or injurious to ourselves or the world. So it is here, and it's compounded by the fact that this man specifically damaged Christianity itself in far-reaching ways. [...] But the Bible teaches love for enemies, even such as he, and it is profound in so prescribing. If I was to repudiate this part of the teachings of Jesus - perhaps because it was not "convenient" for me - I would be as guilty of hate and anti-Christian behavior as Falwell himself was.

[livejournal.com profile] squire_liz wrote:

I don't buy into the whole "don't speak ill of the dead" Dying doesn't magically make you a good person. It doesn't right the wrongs you were responsible. I have never understood why we feel we have to say something good about someone just because they stopped breathing.

Yet I can't find it in me to snark and say good riddance. [...] I don't want to waste the negative energy on someone who is no longer alive to be affected one way or the other.

Rest in peace, may you find more enlightenment in the next go round and may your followers eyes and hearts be opened to the truth, the real truth, not the truth as they wish to see it.

[livejournal.com profile] leiacat wrote:

I find myself caring far more about the continuation of Heroes on TV than about the death of Jerry Falwell.

I see on my flist a string of posts [...] Me, I just can't bring myself to care. Words don't die, they've been spoken, and they, even the hateful ones, will yet be spoken by others. Death of the speaker rarely stops them. [...]

I must say, I care far more about the (inevitable from the point of view of storytelling) fictional demises in a well-written imaginary world than about this one hateful real man.

I am much less interested in debating/discussing Falwell's death, life, works, words, and sins, than in talking about these five quotes in particular. But, having expressed that preference, I'll not try to impose restrictions on those who would comment here. If you want to talk to each other about Falwell himself in "my" comment-space, go to it. Just try not to start any flamewars. I can skim over the bits I'm less interested in.

[One request/suggestion: if you take any of these quotes from here and re-use them elsewhere, and there's a '[...]' in there, first click through to read the entire original and decide for yourself whether you want to include any of the text I snipped. Depending on what aspect of the quote appeals to you, you may really want some bits I cut.]

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posted by [identity profile] stori-lundi.livejournal.com at 12:06pm on 2007-05-16
I pretty much agree with squire_liz and griffen. I am happy to see that the people on my flist are pretty much saying the same thing. My gay friends are a little more vocal about it and they deserve to be given the hatred he's dished out on them over the years but no one is really going off on a tirade about him.

It seems like the collective sentiment is "phew!! I'm glad that's over!!"
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 02:45pm on 2007-05-16
Just to be clear: I don't begrudge anyone who has a different sort of reaction than these their feelings and reaction. Given what Falwell wrought, I'm not really going to think less of those who express hopes of his damnation or a desire to spit on his grave; I just find those reactions less interesting than these.
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posted by [identity profile] stori-lundi.livejournal.com at 02:56pm on 2007-05-16
Oh I agree with you on not thinking less of people who have expressed hopes of his damnation. I have a gay friend who grew up in Lynchburg so if anyone was going to dance on his grave, it would be him. But even he didn't say much about Falwell's death which I find interesting. It seems like even with all the hatred and venom Falwell spewed, people pretty much ignored him. Or maybe it's because he's hasn't been in the news lately. I'm wondering if reactions would be different if he died shortly after the Tinky Winky episode or after saying that the US brought on the 9-11 attacks because we have collectively turned away from god.

If Bush dropped dead of a heart attack right now, I know some of the people on my flist would be dancing in the streets. I would have thought Falwell's death would have provoked a stronger reaction than what I've seen.
 
posted by [identity profile] blueeowyn.livejournal.com at 03:12pm on 2007-05-16
The difference is that if Bush were to die; his ability to shove his brand of religion and intolerance (and sheer stupidity w/regard to education) down our throats. He gets a lot more publicity on a day-to-day basis and has the power to make some really scary changes and affect a lot of stuff (imagine if he were able to choose yet another Supreme Court Justice).

Falwell's machine will live on (Liberty University as one example) and the poison he spread as his religion will continue to spread (and mutate into worse in some cases).

Oh, if Bush dropped, some of the people you would expect to dance may not because of Cheney.
 
posted by [identity profile] cirith-ungol.livejournal.com at 02:15am on 2007-05-17
I found out on another person's journal that Rev. Fred Phelps is picketing the funeral.
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 04:09am on 2007-05-17
To quote slythwolf commenting at Feministe: He'll be missed. But not by me.

Being a female atheist, radical feminist, gender conscientious objector, and bisexual, I'm definitely one of the people who was dead in his sights. My very existence was an affront to his beliefs, and his to mine, so there's no love lost between us.

I wish I didn't care as much as I do, since he didn't even have all that much effect on the politics in my country, but I do care (particularly because I'm quite mindful of how US right-wing talking points proliferate here, and he was one of the major homesteaders of the Radical Religious Right noosphere).

Not to commit a Tu Quoque fallacy here, but probably when I die, people will say unkind things about me too. I just hope I don't deserve them as much as he did...

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