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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2007-06-17 under

From the Quotation of the day mailing list, 2005-05-31:

"If you start defining family by mere emotions, I think that undermines the core of the family itself." -- Matthew Staver of Liberty Counsel, a conservative organization advocating for the "traditional" (i.e., non-same-sex parents) family.

(The submitter notes: Yes, by all means, let's not allow "mere" emotions to form the basis of our families. Sheesh.)
(submitted to the mailing list by Greta Christina)

[Happy Fathers Day to all the dads out there, whether in 'conventional' or 'unconventional' families.]

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dsrtao: dsr as a LEGO minifig (Default)
posted by [personal profile] dsrtao at 10:07am on 2007-06-17
No -- it makes sense. From a conservative viewpoint, family is genetics and authority, not love. Only wishy-washy liberals mistake love for family.

I guess I'm a wishy-washy liberal.
 
posted by [identity profile] acroyear70.livejournal.com at 12:46pm on 2007-06-17
and only a hardened conservative would consider a drug-addicted father walking out and abandoning a mother and child to near starvation, or physically and mentally abusing them into pure submission and helplessness, and likely alcoholism and a next generation drug problem a "family".

Any organization with the word "family" in its name has its intentions as anything but.
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea, in a friend's kitchen (Default)
posted by [personal profile] redbird at 01:20pm on 2007-06-17
From another conservative standpoint, family is long-term commitment, a stable home for children, and conservation of property. From that viewpoint, a person will think lifelong marriages are better than happy single life, and encourage a married couple to stay together "for the children" even if they can't stand each other: but the logic will apply as much to two women, or two men, or two men and a woman, who are raising children together as to one man and one woman doing so. (There's a bit in a Rebecca Ore novel about a mixed-species society where we learn that the marriage vows are "until the children are grown." Before the first child comes, or once they're all adult, stay together if you like, or not, but that's an internal matter, not a concern of the rest of society.)
dsrtao: dsr as a LEGO minifig (Default)
posted by [personal profile] dsrtao at 06:05pm on 2007-06-17
Yeah, it's in the second or third of the "Becoming Human" books. (Ore)
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 11:19pm on 2007-06-17
Conservatives also seem to feel that families are an ongoing, multigenerational set of social obligations into which you are born, and which are almost entirely dependent on the accident of your birth. You are thereby expected to carry them on, since they don't "belong to you," exactly, and you don't really get a say in them. (Which is why people who do things like "run away to the big city" to live in sin with their significant others and become experimental performance artists bother the snot out of them -- they'd vastly prefer if everyone had no option but to have a life as constricted and miserable as theirs. These are the same people who generally believe that the concept of "having fun" is replaced with the sense of "acting responsibly" -- and that the two are mutually exclusive -- around the age of majority.)

If that's what you think a family is, screw you, I don't want one.
 
For nuclear families, I agree with what the other posters have said. But I think they're way off the mark for extended family.

I argue that emotions are *not* the core of extended family; relationship (usually genetic, but not exclusively), history, and obligation are. There are relatives of mine that I don't care much for. A couple members of my extended family, I out-and-out dislike. Doesn't affect their status as family, my obligations toward them, nor theirs toward me.

The only person who I've ever removed from my mental class of "extended family members" is a cousin who refused to meet what I consider to be minimal obligations towards the rest of the family.
 
posted by [identity profile] eviltomble.livejournal.com at 12:11am on 2007-06-18
"Liberty Counsel"[sic], what a name for a group with such an agenda :P

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