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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 02:20pm on 2007-07-19 under , ,

Okay, it should quickly become obvious that I'm not camping in Enchanted Ground[*] ...

The latest American Science & Surplus catalog arrived in todays snailmail. "Oh, right," I thought, "they sell photovoltaic solar cells! I've been meaning to look up whether it'd be cost effective to get some of those for Pennsic."

Eep! On p.52, a panel rated at 12V/1A that they said they got 19V/750mA out of unloaded ... on sale for $144.50. %wince% Okay, not in the cards for this year, and probably not any of the next several years for me, unless I can find a way to turn it into a profit-generating thang as well as an electricity-generating thang. So looking up whether their shipping could get it to me before I leave or not became moot.

OTOH, they've got a bunch of rechargeable batteries for what looks like good prices so far (i.e., before checking the AH:price ratio of car batteries down the street at Advance Auto Parts): 6V/12AH Pb-acid $7.50, 15ct. "grab bag" assortment of NiCd $3.95, 10 AA NiCd packaged together as 12V/1AH (but easily cut apart to use as individual cells, so maybe I should get these for me DigiCam (but I'd better check the camera's manual to see whether it warns against using NiCd cells)) $5.95, single AA 1.2V/2100mAH NiMH $2.25 (I think those are $13.95 per 4-pack at Rite Aid -- dunno about other local retailers).

The main thing I'm pondering how to run is rated at 5V/2A (I tried four NiCd D-cells and got less than two hours), so either the 6V/12AH Pb battery plus enough solar cells to both recharge the battery and run the device (not cost effective), or a much better idea of how often I'll actually want to be making active use of the device to get a better idea of charge/drain times (not enough info just yet), would be useful. I think the grand plan there will wait a bit longer to get into seriously trying to implement it.

So the secondary concern is wanting to extend the life of the battery+inverter I'll be leeching off of to recharge my PDA and cell phone (and the laptop I borrow, if I do borrow one) and to help me feel less guilty about leeching off of [info] syntonic_comma's battery (I do wish I'd remembered to yank the battery from my car before it was towed). Of course, being able to skip the inverter stage would help ... the catalog list a "7-cell Li-ion pack" with an assortment of connectifiers and output switchable "between 3V/6A up to 8.4V/2A" (I hope they mean there arew a bunch of voltages available in between the two extremes) but it doesn't list an AH rating, which makes it harder to judge the cost-effectiveness ... and neither my phone nor my PDA has a nice, standard, barrel or phone connector for power. (I can charge either directly from 12VDC with a cigarette lighter socket -- easy enough to wire up if I get a chance to swing by a Radio Shack or similar store, or if I find the one I used to use as an extender when I drove a car with a lip on the ash tray that prevented the plug from the phone I was using then from fitting into the lighter.)

Third on the list is powering the digital camera. Not wanting to drain the laptops/phones/PDA master battery for that, especially with inverter losses (wait, just how efficient are those itty bitty consumer-grade 100W inverters these days, anyhow?) I was planning to bring a Big Pile O' Batteries and just run it on alkaline AA cells when the two sets of NiMH cells I have run out. But I wonder: if I can afford to buy a mess of NiMH or Li-ion AA cells in time (and run them all through my charger), will they hold their charge long enough in the camera bag to still do me any good in the second week, or should I stick with alkaline (or maybe NiCd) for Pennsic?

Golly, if only I were going to a party known to be frequented by electronics geeks, scientists, and engineers between now and War! ;-) This sounds like a problem to discuss over ice cream, n'est-ce pas? Gotta remember to take the catalog with me to Baitcon this weekend.

(Whoah. I just noticed a 10-pack of A76 cells -- which suck in film cameras, which prefer S76, but are great in laser pointers -- for $1.50. That's less than a single cell costs at the drug store.)

[*] This footnote grew into a whole entry of its own, about the many different ways of enjoying Pennsic and how I feel about bringing electronics, which I'll post a little later this afternoon.

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posted by [identity profile] whc.livejournal.com at 06:33pm on 2007-07-19
>(wait, just how efficient are those itty bitty consumer-grade 100W inverters these days, anyhow?)

Pretty darned efficient. I used a 350 watt inverter to power a laptop and external hard drive used as a music player on long drives. After several hours, the laptop was warm and the hard drive almost too hot to touch. (I need to find a place for it that has better air flow) The inverter was cool to the touch.

I've seen 2.5 AH NiMh name brand AA cells for $1 each, when Amazon has a special. I bought a bunch of 2.6AH AA cells from allbattery.com (via their ebay store), for about $1 each, but they test at about 2AH.

Car batteries are really bad in deep cycle service. 2 or 3 cycles can kill them. If you use lead acid, it's much better to use a sealed, deep cycle (marine), or golf cart type battery.
 
posted by [identity profile] whc.livejournal.com at 07:33pm on 2007-07-19
One more thing: Modern NiMh cells should be close to fully charged after two weeks. There's even a new type that has a low enough self-discharge rate that they are advertised as being usable right out of the package, without charging!

http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-7181070-1626342?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Eneloop&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
 
posted by [identity profile] syntonic-comma.livejournal.com at 09:23pm on 2007-07-19
Optima D34/78-950 Yellow Top battery - SPIRALCELL TechnologyI was surprised and disappointed that my battery didn't last the week last year. I thought the monster would be sufficient to keep all our gear charged up. I'm hoping it wasn't fully charged itself, and I'm planning to leave it plugged in as much as possible between Baitcon and Pennsic this year.
I can charge either directly from 12VDC with a cigarette lighter socket
I've got sockets like that already for the monster battery. (And a 2-socket splitter.)
powering the digital camera. ... with inverter losses
One of our 4-cell AA/AAA NiMH/NiCad rechargers runs off 12V. (It has a 12V wall-wart for home use.)
 
posted by [identity profile] syntonic-comma.livejournal.com at 09:29pm on 2007-07-19
our tent, camped in the Pit below Caer Edgemere, Pennsic 2005a panel rated at 12V/1A that they said they got 19V/750mA out of unloaded ... on sale for $144.50
I keep hearing rumors of photo-voltaic fabric some day "soon". If that becomes affordable, imagine tents made of the stuff, and recharging a battery. (The best solution would be a PV tarp over the tent providing shade and current.)
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 12:23am on 2007-07-20
There's a company in Waterloo, ON that allegedly does PV fabric. Want me to look into it, since I'm localish and all?
 
posted by [identity profile] syntonic-comma.livejournal.com at 01:04am on 2007-07-20
Sure, if you like, although there's little chance we'd be ready to do anything with it in time for this Pennsic.
 
posted by [identity profile] mon462.livejournal.com at 03:10am on 2007-07-20
I love A,S & S! I grew up near their warehouse on the north west side of Chicago. I can't tell you how many hours I spent in their outlet store looking for things I couldn't get anywhere else.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 05:59pm on 2007-07-20
You can extend the life of regular, off the shelf, disposable batteries by recharging them in a Battery Xtender. The Battery Xtender will also recharge 1.2V rechargeables of different chemistry. It will take 4 cells in any combination from AAA, AA, C & D. You can find it and more great info on the product at www.BatteryXtender.com

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