posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 07:00pm on 2007-11-15
The dream is that there is no country on Earth that has tried to actually embrace all the people that we have tried to embrace.

Yeah, that's doubtless why there are more languages spoken in Toronto than in any other single city on the planet... It's a big world out here. It's a damn shame that most Americans don't give a damn about more of it.

For what it's worth, I actually agree with his conclusion about the atomic bomb, while also agreeing that the logic he used to get there was rather spurious. Counterfactually speaking, in a situation where the US had gotten the bomb before Germany surrendered, would an atomic US drop the atomic bomb on Berlin? Judging by the discourse surrounding the Nazis and the Japanese respectively (check out most of the propaganda depictions of Nazis vs "Japs"), and the huge number of domestic Nazi sympathisers and cryptofascists in the US, many of them quite wealthy and powerful (Henry Ford, the DuPont family, and Prescott Bush spring to mind), I'd have to say no. Someone might have thought it would be a good idea, but they would have been suppressed one way or another, I think. Further, particularly drawing attention to the discourse issue, is that demonstrably racist? Absolutely. And so were a lot of the people with their hands on the levers of power, not just in the US, but in other countries as well.
 
posted by [identity profile] dptwisted.livejournal.com at 12:53am on 2007-11-17
Mmmm...I don't think so. If we had dropped a nuke on Berlin, there would have been no Eastern Bloc. Keeping the Soviets penned up would have overshadowed any fascist leanings.

Good point about Canada, though. Even the UK isn't as integrated as Canada is.

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