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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 01:28pm on 2008-01-20

Composing an essay behind closed eyes, half awake,
Attention hopscotching from idea to idea
As assorted chunks of consciousness come online;
The dream that inspired the essay unravelling bit by bit,
Caught, torn, pulled at by the mental movement
Until it evaoa ...
- - - - - - -
Fully awake now,
Clutching at a single thread,
Trying to remember where it went.
Head full of scribbles
That seem important,
But garbled and hard to read.




Where do the complete strangers in dreams come from?

Sometimes I dream about people I know, or even fictional characters I recognize (often with the faces of the actors who portrayed them, if they're from a visual medium). And sometimes there are people in my dreams who are composites, in both appearance and personality, of people I know, even if I can't always put my finger on exactly whom they're a mix of. Then there are the strangers for whom my brain borrows a familiar face: in this morning's last dream -- the only one I remember any of -- my dreaming brain stuck Jack Nicholson's face on a reporter unrelated to Mr. Nicholson or any character I've seen him portray; his was just a convenient face to re-use. But then there are the faces I don't recognize at all, not even enough to say they look like, say [info] twistedchick caught halfway through morphing into Emily Procter (another face recalled from this morning's dream, with a personality and voice unlike [info] twistedchick or either of the characters I've seen Ms. Procter play).

The faces I can recognize, or recognize bits and pieces of, are somewhat interesting as a glimpse into how my brain works. And how dreams work. But after having noticed how many of the faces of strangers in my dreams recycle aspects of faces I've seen in waking life, the ones I don't recognize become that much more interesting for being exceptions to the pattern I had noticed. Where do those cme from, how do they get into my dreams?

The Quaker girl in my dream this morning who mentioned to a television reporter that she thought she was "only about 40% human" was one of those dream characters whose face seemed completely unfamiliar to me. (And how I wish I could remember more of the context -- what she'd done to attract the attention of the media and what role she'd played in the dream before that. While I was mentally composing an essay about her, the question of where an entirely new face in a dream comes from caught my attention long enough for the dream to finish unravelling while I held it.)

How does someone I've never seen before get into a dream? Are such faces really made up by my unconscious out of whole cloth? Merely sewn together from pieces to small and too many for me to pick them out? Borrowed from people I saw too briefly to consciously recall while I was awake? Really nondescript during the dream and only getting details filled in as my slowly waking brain tries to reorganize dream fragments to make sense of them? (Of course, this last option merely pushes the same question to a different process.)

And how on Earth do you design experiments to answer these questions when the act of trying to remember a dream so often alters it retroactively, and when the only way to capture an image from a dream involves waking up enough to attempt to draw it (or describe it to somebody more skilled at drawing), and the act of drawing or describing it is likely to involve making comparisons to familiar real-world examples? (Would a functional MRI show hits to a "remembering somebody's face" area of the brain when knitting together a character out of familiar parts but not if a face truly is entirely new? How would you match up the timeline of the dream to the MRI data?)

And why do I keep picking questions so difficult to definitively answer to wonder about?


As for that Quaker girl in this morning's dream, I got the impression that when she said "40% human", she was implying 60% divine. And I remember wanting to ask a bunch of questions about whether that was quite the right dichotomy, given that we are made in God's image. But y'know, I now can't remember whether those were questions I came up with within the dream -- the questions that triggered starting to wake up -- or questions that I started asking after the dream, during the whirwind of ideas and impressions as my brain reorganized itself from dreaming to waking.

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geekosaur: orange tabby with head canted 90 degrees, giving impression of "maybe it'll make more sense if I look at it this way?" (Default)
posted by [personal profile] geekosaur at 06:46pm on 2008-01-20
I've noticed that "anonymous" people/things aren't actually filled in in my dreams: if I remember the dream on waking, my conscious mind fills in the missing details. (So how do I know this? I have a tendency toward lucid dreaming when having bad sinuses; a couple times I've thought to analyze the dream itself.) It's interesting to shift focus in mid-dream and notice that, say, corridor walls are little more than pencil-sketch outlines.
twistedchick: watercolor painting of coffee cup on wood table (Default)
posted by [personal profile] twistedchick at 07:48pm on 2008-01-20
Well, I'm taking that as a compliment because she's gorgeous.
 
posted by [identity profile] flaviarassen.livejournal.com at 05:06am on 2008-01-21
She has a similar face shape to yours - you're gorgeous, too!
(& if you wore as much make up as she does, you'd be more so,
just in a faker way)
twistedchick: watercolor painting of coffee cup on wood table (Default)
posted by [personal profile] twistedchick at 01:02am on 2008-01-22
She's also a little younger... Actually, on West Wing she reminds me very much of the suited-up-for-lawyering version of one of my oldest friends (except the friend has black hair, not blonde.)
 
posted by [identity profile] weskeag.livejournal.com at 08:13pm on 2008-01-20
Dreams as a window on how the mind works....

I've had dreams where I've literally seen every style of the letter "a" I've ever read...or images of every Russian page I've ever translated, all stored there in nice sequential order...or even seeing just a swarm of random letters. Of course, now that I very rarely translate from hard copy, I must be storing sentences

I later noticed that such dreams usually meant that sleep apnea had kicked in for some longish time...or I'd gone bradycardic, so I've now mostly trained my brain to wake me up when I have a dream of that type so I can fix whatever happens to be wrong...
 
posted by [identity profile] kolraashgadol.livejournal.com at 08:45pm on 2008-01-20
I'm guessing that either you're filling in post hoc, or you're dreaming of faces or people whom you've seen but don't consciously remember (i.e. you passed by someone at the bus stop the day before, but were paying attention to something else, say, paying your fare...)
 
posted by [identity profile] weskeag.livejournal.com at 08:56pm on 2008-01-20
Sounds about right....or maybe even someone you saw 20 or 30 years ago...
 
posted by [identity profile] sodyera.livejournal.com at 01:54pm on 2008-01-21
As a media baby I've been exposed to the faces of thousands of actors and actresses over the eons in addition to the usual traffic of faces from Mundania. I suspect your neural casting-director subroutine goes through the same sorting process that mine does when looking for the right face to present the right concept. Said subroutine is also open to résumés from certain astral personages who may want a word with you, or who are sending you a heads-up in re future cast members to appear in your "real life".
 
posted by [identity profile] badgerthorazine.livejournal.com at 09:54pm on 2008-01-27
Research on dreams has often fascinated me for just the reasons that you mentioned, actually. I'd love to see some fMRI stuff done on it, too, although I have to wonder how one can sleep in such a gadget. But I imagine it could happen, and have some very interesting hypothesis to work with.

In re what Weskeag said, I'm going to have to check myself the next time the dreaded sinus infection occurs. Never thought that it might be more interesting dreamwise...but at least the apnea I have is eased by the CPAP gadget for the time being.

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