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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2008-02-21

"It is a quirk of American culture that each generation of nonconservatives sees the right-wingers of its own generation as the scary ones, then chooses to remember the right-wingers of the last generation as sort of cuddly. In 1964, observers horrified by Barry Goldwater pined for the sensible Robert Taft, the conservative leader of the 1950s. When Reagan was president, liberals spoke fondly of sweet old Goldwater. Nowadays, as we grapple with the malevolence of President Bush, it's Reagan we remember as the sensible one." -- Rick Perlstein, "The Reagan Legacy", 2004-06-07 [link goes to a reprint with a preface regarding its current relevance, from 2008-01-16]

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posted by [identity profile] pedropadrao.livejournal.com at 10:53am on 2008-02-21
Not quite so for me. While I admire him for talking to Gorbachev, I also remember that Meese & his merry men were clamping down on freedom of expression, while his buddies in the USDA & the Dept. of Ed. were trying to get catsup classified as a vegetable for school lunches & mocking my school system as being the worst in the nation-never mind that my school, in particular, was the Academic Decathlon state champion throughout the '80's & ranked in the top ten nationally!
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posted by [identity profile] stori-lundi.livejournal.com at 11:22am on 2008-02-21
I was looking through all my Illuminati:New World Order cards last night and snickering at the "Ketchup is a vegetable" cards. That was a really dumb policy.
 
posted by [identity profile] maugorn.livejournal.com at 12:42pm on 2008-02-21
It was Ronnie who appointed James Watt Secretary of the Interior-
who said out loud and in English that it was OK to squander national resources because the Apocalypse was coming and soon it wouldn't matter.
That was scary.
What was funny was that it took his saying that the Beach Boys attracted the "wrong element" to the National Mall on July 4th to lose him his credibility.
 
posted by [identity profile] dmk.livejournal.com at 02:33pm on 2008-02-21
And remember: "Trees cause pollution" was another James Watt beauty.
 
posted by [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com at 12:54pm on 2008-02-21
Reagan was neither cuddly, sensible, nor cute. We said so at the time, and are repeating it as the Republicans try to invoke him as the Great Legacy.

Frankly, he was a great symbol of his party, though: insincere, good appearance, no substance, and, in the end, not just incompetent but utterly brainless.

No, I don't like the Republican party, with few exceptions. Why do you ask?
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 01:08pm on 2008-02-21
I was surprised at how people reacted when I was vocally glad at the news of his death.
 
posted by [identity profile] kolraashgadol.livejournal.com at 01:14pm on 2008-02-21
Um, I don't remember any of them as cuddly - just less crazy; that's because they keep getting worse and crazier. Or maybe just more sly. But certainly worse. I hesitate to wonder aloud how much worse it can possibly get for fear of having my curiosity satisfied.
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 02:30pm on 2008-02-21
I think the author is trying to dismiss as a 'quirk' a totally valid observation. Look at Nixon, in many ways he was a liberal. The EPA was created under Nixon. The Reagan regime was worse than Nixon and what we have now is worse still. The above paragraph seems to be trying to perpetuate the myth that the Republicans have stayed where they were politically and that it is the Democrats that have moved far to the left
 
posted by [identity profile] dmk.livejournal.com at 02:37pm on 2008-02-21
Exactly. The whole field has moved so far to the right, that the previous generation of Repugnants Republicans really were more rational. Heck, the Democrats are all to the right of centrist now.
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posted by [personal profile] ckd at 03:26pm on 2008-02-21
Yup. Who was more progressive on gays in the military, "Don't Ask Don't Tell" Clinton or "They don't have to be straight, they just have to shoot straight" Goldwater?
 
posted by [identity profile] en-ki.livejournal.com at 09:32pm on 2008-02-21
Dude, what?

In my admittedly selective memory, Goldwater wins because he stood up to the psycho evangelicals as well as anyone could when they took over his party. Reagan was at the forefront of that same movement and cheerfully committed treason besides. FTL!
 
posted by (anonymous) at 03:50am on 2008-02-22
Who's "we," Rick?

I was only five when Reagan got elected the first time, and even I remember him as a batshit crazy old coot who was entirely too convinced of his own infalliability. By contrast with Reagan and Bush the Younger, Goldwater looks almost sane, although if you read any of his writing, you can more or less parse it down to "we like rights for white men, and the n*ggers and bitches are getting too uppity." It's like Code Word City in there, a veritable Anvil-to-the-Head Chorus as performed by the Republican Dogwhistle Orchestra.

Does anyone remember that "cute, cuddly gaffe" he made about launching the missiles in fifteen minutes? I can't even give him props for talking to Gorbachev, because even as a young teenager, it was pretty obvious to me that the oh-so-scary Soviet Union was on its way out by then. I think I was the least surprised person on earth when the Berlin Wall fell...

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