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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:06pm on 2008-06-16

Thinking a little bit more about the idea of complexity and automation, and the notion that automation, which is supposed to make things easier, sometimes (often?) adds complexity even while it succeeds in making (some?most?) things easier ...

Operating an automobile is significantly more complex than walking. But oh so much more convenient (depending on where you're going and how far and a few other factors). One would even say easier. It is just familiarity with the task, and that our culture takes it for granted, that keeps us from noticing how complex a task it is. Similarly, regular expressions carry a fair bit of complexity and a learning curve, but having RE-aware tools allows a lot of convenient automation of what would otherwise be tedious editing tasks. Programming a VCR (does anybody besides me still do that?) requires first learning how to set its clock, and dealing with an interface that is not conveniently standardized the way automobile controls are, but it beats having to remember to be in the right room at the right time to turn the thing on and off to record a show (and, more importantly, allows you to record shows when you're not even home) -- the automation makes things easier, but certainly not simpler!

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posted by [identity profile] katrinb.livejournal.com at 11:08pm on 2008-06-16
"It is just familiarity with the task, and that our culture takes it for granted, that keeps us from noticing how complex a task it is."

Same goes for walking, actually. In college, I once had a physical anthropology professor (the incomparably marvelous Janet Monge) demonstrate all the complexity inherent in a bipedal hominid's walking pattern, by walking on the table in front of us and breaking down each step.

I had the hardest time walking back to the dorm that afternoon without tripping.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:48pm on 2008-06-16
Y'know, it did occur to me that for folks who knew how complex walking is, that might not have been the best example... ;-)

Yes, bipedal locomotion is mechanically complex -- I recall a professor explaining and demonstrating that a part of each step was spent falling, and challenged us to walk without any falling. I succeeded, demonstrating a gait that looked like something from the Ministry of Silly Walks.

Anyhow, phenomenologically, walking -- once past toddlerhood -- feels simple until we get old enough / ill / injured / drunk enough for it to stop being automatic. The same can be said, I suppose, of driving, but more of the people reading this will be able to remember learning to drive than will remember learning to walk. I think. Certainly, walking doesn't usually require taking a class and getting a license from the state, adjusting mirrors, and reading guages ...

... But I do need to come up with a better example.
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 12:50am on 2008-06-17
Oh, I don't really know. I learned to ice skate before I learned to walk. How complex is that?
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 02:43pm on 2008-06-17
I was thinking about skating, and trying to decide whether it's more complex or less. Mechanically, it is much simpler, despite the trickier balance problem. I think. You certainly don't spend as much time falling when skating as opposed to walking. (Though I'll concede that when you do fall while skating, you notice it more, since most people aren't aware of the falling portion of a walking step until somebody else points it out.) But I haven't spent as much time really analyzing what my knees and ankles are doing when skating, so I hesitate to state a very strong position on the matter.
 
posted by [identity profile] writerjanice.livejournal.com at 07:27am on 2008-06-22
Actually, a good martial arts instructor or fencing coach has, or should have, spent a great deal of time thinking about how complex walking is... After all, part of the skill set that's being learned is to walk and move in ways that are "different".
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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 03:22am on 2008-06-17
Programming a VCR (does anybody besides me still do that?)

Yes.
 
posted by [identity profile] selki.livejournal.com at 03:24am on 2008-06-17
I program my VCR (after) every time we get another power outage!

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