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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2008-06-25

"What liberals, who are into doing their own thing instead of committing themselves to being obedient, fail to understand is that the culture of obedience finds self-direction a challenge (an insult) to the preference for following the directions of others.

"Be that as it may, what liberals, who do the right thing by their own volition, resent, and rightfully so, in my view, is that their virtuous acts are denigrated BECAUSE they are self-directed while the obedience crowd commits unspeakable horrors and gets honored for doing what it's told."

-- hannah, 2008-05-21

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posted by [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com at 11:26am on 2008-06-25
http://markschmitt.typepad.com/decembrist/2005/04/what_the_republ.html

An article about how excessive centralized control hurt the Republicans. Possibly worth bringing up when someone complains about divisions in the Democratic party.
 
posted by [identity profile] marnanel.livejournal.com at 07:17pm on 2008-06-25
I've never really understood how people can simultaneously behave as though that obedience is the most important thing and still claim to honour freedom.
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 10:18pm on 2008-06-25
I seem to recall George Orwell explaining that one pretty well. :/
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 01:26am on 2008-06-26
I don't think liberals fail to understand "that the culture of obedience finds self-direction a challenge (an insult) to the preference for following the directions of others," I think we generally fail to understand authoritarian followers themselves. As in, why the hell would anybody waste time being a drone when they could be over here doing their own thing like the rest of us? That's your basic openminded anti-authoritarian in a nutshell. Also, there's the added point that very many of us over here on the left are not huge into doing things because they're socially expected, whereas authoriatarians are all about doing what the socially-constructed authorities prescribe for the social system.

I can understand authoritarian leaders pretty well, because getting someone else to do what you want them to is a trip, but taking orders because it's the done thing? Horrors.

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