| Mark Danner: | I call this in the book the Athenian problem. Which is how do you have-- |
| Bill Moyers: | Athenian meaning Athens of Greece, right? |
| Mark Danner: | Exactly. How do you have a democratic empire, how do you have an imperial foreign policy built on a democracy polity. It's like some sort of strange mythical beast that's part lion, part dragon. You know at the bottom is a democracy, and then it's an imperial power around the world. And the problem is that the things demanded by an empire, which is staying power, ruthlessness, the ability and the willingness to use its power around the world, it's something that democracies tend to be quite skeptical about. And this is a political factor that looms obviously very large in [Obama's] calculations. |
-- from the PBS television program, Bill Moyers Journal, 2009-10-16