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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:25am on 2011-03-03

"Rich [gratuitous homophobic slur removed] have reserved the hottest of their fires of hatred for unionized labor and collective action because they know that's the biggest threat to their dominance of the country. I mean, think about what unions actually demand: Decent wages, security on the job, in sickness, and in old age, respect, reasonably safe working conditions, and a voice in the economic enterprise. How in the living fuck is any of that controversial? That shit is the bare minimum of what a decent life in an advanced economy should be. But it means that these fucking cartoon supervillians might suffer--not a loss, oh no, but a slightly lower profit margin." -- Jude, First Draft, 2011-02-27 [thanks to [info] realinterrobang for quoting it earlier]


[I'm editing this entry to remove harmful use of a word that added nothing to the meaning of the quote. (It added emphasis, but only by means of its implicit harm.) A discussion of the matter can be found in the comments to this entry. I may write a separate entry about it later.]

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posted by [identity profile] sodyera.livejournal.com at 02:06pm on 2011-03-03
When LBJ was in Congress he submitted a bill to cut costs or give something to the people, and a senior Senator told him point-blank,
"Never suggest any bill that takes money out of my pocket."
That thinking goes double for executives.
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posted by [personal profile] stoneself at 05:46pm on 2011-03-03
cocksuckers? really?
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 07:20pm on 2011-03-03
Given that a large proportion of the population are in fact, cocksuckers, it's pretty much a given that at least some members of the ruling class are also cocksuckers.
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posted by [personal profile] stoneself at 07:41pm on 2011-03-03
you know it wasn't being used in a generalized sense.
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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 08:05pm on 2011-03-03
Yeah, I caught the problems with that, and decided to run the quote anyhow for the intended main thrust of the rest of the paragraph, despite the homophobic[1] subtext of the choice and placement of that word. But you are right.

I considered eliding the word with an elipsis, though I figured most readers would assume it was merely an uncharacteristic aversion to profanity rather than something more significant. In hindsight, perhaps I should have added a footnote pointing out that while I agree with the gist of the quote I wish the author had picked a different insult -- but that did not occur to me last night.

[1] For the sake of later readers startled by this thread: yeah, 'cocksucker' can also be used to slur sexually active women, but I'm pretty sure that in this context the relevant aspect was the (more common for this term) implied homosexuality with the attendent reinforcement of the cultural norm of that being insulting, or at least negative. It's at least as problematic as kids' saying "that's so gay" as a generic putdown. If the author did not harbour some (possibly unconscious[2]) "gay is bad and calling someone gay is a major insult" memes, then "cocksucker" would not have seemed insulting enough to use there -- if it were neutral, it would have seemed extraneous, breaing up the flow of the rant, and would have been omitted. By using it here, the author has[3] reinforced the gay=insult meme, which warrants [personal profile] stoneself's ever so much more concise complaint.

[2] Unconscious in the "we don't notice it until it's pointed out, because we're swimming in it" sense -- the author may have heard "cocksucker" used as a generic insult so many times that its roots and the source of the word's power failed to register. Not that having failed to examine this yet really excuses the act of using the slur that way, since the effects of the use remain despite how often, "But I didn't mean it that way," is the response to criticism. See: "Intent! It's Fucking Magic!".

[3] As did I, by quoting it without drawing a red circle around it. I think I'm mostly okay on the grounds that I was accurately quoting someone else and "had a good reason" for doing so ... but I'm also aware that "I had a good reason" is used as a rationalization nearly as often as "I didn't mean it that way", so I'm stuck second-guessing myself. When I added this quote to the queue I thought that, on balance, leaving the quote intact was the more correct approach, and at 14:55 this afternoon I still do, but I was not and am not 100% certain of that, and am not declaring the matter closed.
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posted by [personal profile] stoneself at 08:21pm on 2011-03-03
"good reason"? really?

replace cocksucker with different slurs especially more slurs that have beena pplied to yourself, and i think you'll see it's not ok.

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