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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 09:04am on 2004-02-14

"[...] Although, I'd really like to be invited to an event where both a ball gown and hip waders were de rigeur." -- [livejournal.com profile] galestorm 2003-11-23, more fun out of context.

eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 12:19pm on 2004-02-14

(About 3/4 of a day behind on my friends list, so maybe somebody else has said this by now, but...)

More thoughts about same-sex marriage, civil unions, religious objections, and so forth, led down this path: (Many of you will have heard me say most of this background before, so you can skip down to the section labelled "My Suggestion")

A large part of the problem folks have is with the word "marriage", especially since it's a religiously loaded term. I've heard people present arguments against recognition of same-sex unions on religious grounds, saying that marriage is a religious institution, and I've heard other people saying that marriage is a civil contract, implying (but usually not stating) that religion has nothing to do with it. The thing is, as I've pointed out before, neither of those is accurate.

There are two things we call by the name "marriage": religious marriage, which very much is a church-thing, and civil marriage, which is a state-thing, except that it often happens at the same time as the church one. (By "happens" I mean "is established". The wedding happens on a day, the marriage happens for (one hopes) a very long time.) The fact that a legal wedding occurs on the same day as, and as part of, a church wedding, and that in most places clergy can perform legal weddings, makes it difficult for many people to separate the two ideas that share a noun.

(But two things demonstrate that they are different. First, the fact that clergy are not required for a legal wedding -- a justice of the peace can create a legally binding marriage -- and second, that at least in some states the blessing of clergy is not sufficient to create a legal marriage -- a marriage license has to have been granted first. When I've married people, my performing the ceremony makes them married in all the ways important to them personally and to their community, but it's not a legal marriage until I sign the license that the state issued. In fact, I had to marry one couple twice because they'd screwed up and not gotten the license in time, so they celebrate their anniversary on the day I performed the ceremony, but as far as the state is concerned they didn't get married until a week or so later when I signed the license. Clearly two things took place, not one. And one of those was religious and the other legal.)

Because civil marriage does exist and is really the important thing in a discussion on rights (a church can decide for itself who it will or will not marry; the state must not discriminate absent a damned good reason, and all the legal issues are tied to the civil aspect), I've maintained for some time that there are two fair and just paths the State can take: either extend civil marriage equally, without gender-discrimination; or get the heck out of the marriage business altogether, leave "marriage" to the churches, and make every couple who wants the benefits and protections currently afforded by civil marriage do it the hard way with ordinary legal contracts. But a new spin on both of these ideas has come to mind.

"Civil unions" were put forth as a compromise, an attempt in some places to give same-sex couples some, but not all, of the benefits of marriage. An attempt in other places to give all of the benefits on a local level without presuming to have any effect on larger jurisdictions. And an attempt in a few places to create a parallel institution to marriage but without the "hot button" name. The problems are that the first does not address the intrinsic unfairness except halfheartedly, the second doesn't solve the problem beyond "partners of city employees can get health insurance" (one corner of the problem), and the third usually involves having hets and gays play by slightly different rules (creating a new inequality) and still falls prey to the problems of the second because other jurisdictions (including the Feds) will duck because the name isn't "marriage". As that judge in Massachussetts pointed out, separate is seldom if ever equal.

My Suggestion

So how about this: We change the name of civil marriage -- all civil marriage -- to "civil union" so that people can remember the difference between the legal thing and the religious thing?

We extend civil unions to same-sex and opposite-sex couples equally, and we transfer all of the current benefits and side effects and legal status of marriage to this same-institution-under-a-new-name, thus preserving the construct so many people already rely on while ending the discrimination that currently denies those benefits to same-sex couples, and we have the state ignore anything called "marriage", leaving that word to the church institutions. Thus the religious objections to ending the discrimination go away, without creating a "separate and trying to be nearly equal but failing" situation. The separation of Church and State becomes clearer, ending the confusion caused by two distinct institutions that share a name and an anniversary.

Admittedly it'd probably be simpler just to end the discrimination while retaining the name "marriage", as seems to be the direction we're headed gradually and with much wringing of hands and ugly words, but I wonder whether this way might be quicker, bringing the two sides closer to agreement, speeding up the process and sidestepping much of the ugliness and the period of confusion as different states recognize different things ...

... and maybe even make it so neither side has to feel it has "lost". Gays and lesbians get their rights and equal protection under the law, and religious conservatives now better able to see the distinction between the religious and legal institutions get to keep "marriage" as a religious term and preserve the sanctity of that holy institution as they see fit, without feeling that they "lost the battle of changing the definition". Without a "loser" side, perhaps we can avoid having a pool of deeply resentful population attempting to push the pendulum back the other way, or feeling oppressed.

Looking further ahead

Of course, since some churches will perform same-sex marriages (in fact some already do, it's just that those unions aren't recognized by the State), the term "marriage" will eventually come to refer equally to same-sex and opposite-sex couples, but it'll be a natural social and linguistic evolution rather than a decided-by-law sudden change. Two hundred years from now the results will be the same. The difference I see with my proposal concerns only the next fifty years.

So do I have something (even partially) here, or does all of this mean I got up to early and should go back to bed?

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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 11:58pm on 2004-02-14

Short takes just to catch up on things I meant to write about before and haven't gotten a chance to yet...


I had guessed correctly regarding the contents of the mystery package via UPS, which I received yesterday because my schedule slipped so much that I was still home when the UPS driver showed up. It's a VCR. Who sent it is still a mystery -- I've got a couple of guesses, but only one clue. (And I'm not sure whether that clue was really a clue or merely a well-timed observation?) In a situation like this does one go asking folks whether they sent it so they can be properly thanked, or does one assume they wanted to remain both anonymous and mysterious and simply toss one's thanks out in the fora the gift giver almost certainly reads?

Thanks for the VCR, somebody. This means I have four broken VCRs that I need to take apart and poke at or dispose of, three broken VCRs that kindasorta work sometimes and/or in certain ways (given to me to replace the one that I complained about having broken recently), and now one new, shiny, reliable, everything-works VCR to feel safe trusting with the shows I want to timeshift. *Whew* I am grateful.


Yesterday was more difficult than it should have been, probably largely because of having done so much on Thursday. I woke earlier than I had expected to, after too little sleep, and got off to a good start on the way-too-many-things-to-do for the day, but started moving more and more slowly and feeling like I needed a nap. I was supposed to visit the friend I've mentioned who is in town for the wedding of two other friends, and show her the photos from her own wedding, which I'd picked up from the photo labs on Thursday. We rescheduled for later in the day and I tried to get ready for the weekend. Then I called later and rescheduled for later still. I did finally get there, though as soon as I left the house I realized several things I'd forgotten to pack. (One of the many things that delayed me was my not being able to find the clothes I had been thinking of wearing tomorrow.) At long last and very late, I got Perrine into her carrier and got everything into the car.

Thirty minutes into a forty-five minute drive, Perrine started crying with a much more distressed sound than her previous whimpers, and then she threw up. Actually, both ends of the cat were involved. Bleah. Ick. There wasn't much I could do about it until I reached my destination.

So when I got there, we spent the first fifteen minutes cleaning up the cat-carrier and Perrine's tail. I got to hang out with my friend and her mother, and we all got to watch Perrine explore as much of the house as she was allowed before she decided to curl up under a piece of furniture in the dining room (the room all the humans were in, of course). And I showed off the photos and listened to some cool tunes. Her husband, who had driven from Cleaveland, showed up tired and needing to sleep about the time I should have been leaving anyhow, so we said hellos and goodbyes and he was introduced to the cat (who came out from her lurking place when she heard another voice), and we carried things out to the car to head on toward [livejournal.com profile] anniemal's house. LiveJournal came up because I asked my friend whether she read my journal so as to know whether to re-tell a story or merely refer to it, and I mentioned that if one were to pick one person's journal to read, [livejournal.com profile] theferrett's would be a good choice ... and this produced gleeful laughter because it turns out they're in the gaming group he's written about. So it turns out I've actually met him (at their wedding that I was showing the photos from) but had absolutely no idea who he was at the time. I am amused. Cue up that song from the Disney ride now...


I made it to the home of [livejournal.com profile] anniemal and [livejournal.com profile] syntonic_comma in the wee hours. Perrine got sick in the car again but didn't have anything in her to throw up, so there was discomfort but no mess that time -- this was her first trip in the Honda, and I'm worried that maybe the different suspension produces a ride that disagrees with her. We'll see how the ride home goes. She was annoyed and hid behind the couch most of last night, but she seems to have forgiven me now. The poodle has been following her around the house, so she's been annoyed about that instead.

I've got some clothing choices with me for tomorrow and need to decide just what I am going to wear since I couldn't find my first choice. I've got a few cameras with me, and a bunch of lenses, and I narrowly avoided forgetting all the film in the fridge at home, so I'll have something to put into the cameras. Letter Opener is in the trunk of the car, so I can show it to [livejournal.com profile] silmaril tomorrow, and if enough other people bring swords maybe we can do that arch-of-swords thing for the bride and groom. I forgot to bring my Prilosec, but more has been purchased. I forgot to bring batteries for the flash strobes, but I can borrow rechargeables. I forgot a bunch of other things which may or may not turn out to be important.

So I just have to make sure I don't stress so much tonight about getting everything left to do done and trying to be perfect, so that I'm relaxed and rested tomorrow afternoon and can properly enjoy helping friends celebrate their wedding by watching the ceremony and partaking of the big party afterwards and shooting some film 'cause I like doing that.

I might get around to reading LiveJournal tonight. I'm not sure. If I don't catch up until Monday or Tuesday, there are going to be a whopping huge pile of entries on my friends page. The last time I got behind, it was 283 friends-entries, and by the time I'd zipped through those, another 80 had shown up.

I hope most of y'all (ideally all) had a good St. Valentine's Day (whether it was a saints-day for you, or a Hallmark holiday, or just a day).


Edit 00:45 -- VCR sender identified and thanked again.

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