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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2008-09-02

"Open source relates to code reuse in much the way romantic love relates to sexual reproduction -- it's possible to explain the former in terms of the latter, but to do so is to risk overlooking much of what makes the former interesting." -- Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming, 2003 (quote appears in chapter 16)

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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:28am on 2008-09-02
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Sent via the WBAL (Baltimore channel 11 television) website (wbaltv.com):

I just watched your news broadcast from 17:00 to 18:30, and am mystified by what I DIDN'T see.

Why was there no mention of the pre-emptive police/FBI raids on non-violent protest groups (including Food Not Bombs) at the Republican convention, and the arrest of JOURNALISTS? Between the apparent use of the raids and arrests to prevent citizens' exercise of their right to free speech (which certainly bears investigation, either to clear authorities of that suspicion or to shine a light on police-state tactics, whichever turns out to be the case), and the arrest and detention of journalists who were there to report events, not participate (a precedent I'm sure members of your profession don't want established), I had expected news media to be all over that story, and was very much looking forward to learning details that had not yet been covered in blogs.

Where were you? Did the attempt to intimidate the protesters out of speaking up work so well that all the way in Maryland news organizations are scared to report what's going on?

Will I see anything about this on the eleven o'clock news tonight? It's a story that strikes to the very heart of Fundamental American Principles And Ideals, our very identity as "the land of the free and the home of the brave". It cannot be considered inconsequential.

(I wasn't sure whether HTML tags would work, hence the capitalization for emphasis.)

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Addendum to previous entry: did anybody reading this catch the WMAR, WJZ, or WBFF dinnertime-news broadcasts here in/near Baltimore? Did any of them cover the raids on peace-activist groups? (I'm pretty sure what the answer will be, but hey, surprise me.) And for folks elsewhere, did your local news say a single word about the raids? And if not, do they provide a convenient way to contact them to ask them why not? (Not going to even try to be subtle about the hint.)

If you're starting from zero on this story, these'll get you started:

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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 09:46pm on 2008-09-02

Unsurprisingly, OpenID is generating some confusion. But (so far) not in the ways I'd anticipated.

First off, AFAICT, Blurty, GreatestJournal, and JournalFen don't appear to support OpenID. (At least, I don't see that as one of the options on the 'post comment' page. Just anonymous, or user-of-that-site.)

CrazyLife, CommieJournal, DeadJournal, and Scribbld (and LiveJournal) offer a choice of anonymous, OpenID, or "Logged in user" (of that site) -- which to pick is probably reasonably unconfusing; I'll clear up the other potentially confusing bit below. (DeaadJournal has both "Logged in user" and "DeadJournal user" as options ... but unless you have a DJ account, you probably don't need to figure out what the difference is between those two choices.)

InsaneJournal, alas, has the potential for extra confusion: the radio button that ought to say either "InsaneJournal user" or "Logged in user", unfortunately says, "LiveJournal user", which can mislead the unwary LJ user into thinking it's an already-aimed-at-LJ configuration of OpenID or something, leading to frustration (and/or worry, when it looks as though IJ is asking for your LJ password, when IJ thinks you're trying to log in as an IJ user). I stuck a message about that in what I hope was an appropriate place, so maybe the wording will get fixed. In any case, if you're an LJ user following me over to IJ to leave a comment, you want the OpenID button.

Anyhow, here's how logging in with OpenID is supposed to work:

  1. I'm going to assume you're already logged in on LiveJournal...
  2. Select the "OpenID" radio button. Input fields labelled "Identity URL" and "Login?" will appear.
  3. Enter yourljusername.livejournal.com in the "Identity URL" box. Check the "Login?" box if staying logged in on this site as your LJ/OpenID identity might be convenient (like, if you expect to post more than one comment there, or want to go to the "edit profile" page afterward to associate a user-icon with your OpenID presence).
  4. Type in your comment, then click the "Post Comment" button.
  5. The page in that tab will be replaced by one with a LiveJournal URL (it'll start, "http://www.livejournal.com/openid/approve.bml?[...]") that's labelled "Grant identity validation?" It will say that, "Another site on the web wants to validate your LiveJournal identity. No information will be shared with them that isn't already public in your profile, only that you're who you've already told them you are (if you told them)." You'll have three buttons: "Yes; just this time", "Yes; always", and "No."
  6. Click one of the 'yes' buttons, and your comment will be posted.

What if you weren't already logged in at LiveJournal when you tried to use it for your OpenID credential? Instead of the "Grant identity validation?" page, you'll get one that says, "You need to be logged in to grant another site permission to know your identity."

And, of course, despite this description being written for a LiveJournal user commenting as a guest on another site via OpenID, it all works pretty much the same way if you're coming from a site other than LJ (a DJ user commenting at IJ, or a Blogger user commenting at LJ, or a Movable Type user commenting at Blogger; you just need to know the URL to use as your identity URL on the site where you have an account, to be able to log in via OpenID on other OpenID-enabled sites.

That's how it's supposed to work. That's how it worked for me while I was typing this up. One person so far has complained that it didn't, and I haven't yet sorted out why not -- drop me a line at dglenn@panix.com or via the LJ inbox if you can't get it to work, so I'll have some idea how often it breaks ... and if I'm lucky, wind up with enough info to send a bug report to whichever site seems to be the one causing the problem.

eftychia: Spaceship superimposed on a whirling vortex (departure)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 09:46pm on 2008-09-02

Unsurprisingly, OpenID is generating some confusion. But (so far) not in the ways I'd anticipated.

First off, AFAICT, Blurty, GreatestJournal, and JournalFen don't appear to support OpenID. (At least, I don't see that as one of the options on the 'post comment' page. Just anonymous, or user-of-that-site.)

CrazyLife, CommieJournal, DeadJournal, and Scribbld (and LiveJournal) offer a choice of anonymous, OpenID, or "Logged in user" (of that site) -- which to pick is probably reasonably unconfusing; I'll clear up the other potentially confusing bit below. (DeaadJournal has both "Logged in user" and "DeadJournal user" as options ... but unless you have a DJ account, you probably don't need to figure out what the difference is between those two choices.)

InsaneJournal, alas, has the potential for extra confusion: the radio button that ought to say either "InsaneJournal user" or "Logged in user", unfortunately says, "LiveJournal user", which can mislead the unwary LJ user into thinking it's an already-aimed-at-LJ configuration of OpenID or something, leading to frustration (and/or worry, when it looks as though IJ is asking for your LJ password, when IJ thinks you're trying to log in as an IJ user). I stuck a message about that in what I hope was an appropriate place, so maybe the wording will get fixed. In any case, if you're an LJ user following me over to IJ to leave a comment, you want the OpenID button.

Anyhow, here's how logging in with OpenID is supposed to work:

  1. I'm going to assume you're already logged in on LiveJournal...
  2. Select the "OpenID" radio button. Input fields labelled "Identity URL" and "Login?" will appear.
  3. Enter yourljusername.livejournal.com in the "Identity URL" box. Check the "Login?" box if staying logged in on this site as your LJ/OpenID identity might be convenient (like, if you expect to post more than one comment there, or want to go to the "edit profile" page afterward to associate a user-icon with your OpenID presence).
  4. Type in your comment, then click the "Post Comment" button.
  5. The page in that tab will be replaced by one with a LiveJournal URL (it'll start, "http://www.livejournal.com/openid/approve.bml?[...]") that's labelled "Grant identity validation?" It will say that, "Another site on the web wants to validate your LiveJournal identity. No information will be shared with them that isn't already public in your profile, only that you're who you've already told them you are (if you told them)." You'll have three buttons: "Yes; just this time", "Yes; always", and "No."
  6. Click one of the 'yes' buttons, and your comment will be posted.

What if you weren't already logged in at LiveJournal when you tried to use it for your OpenID credential? Instead of the "Grant identity validation?" page, you'll get one that says, "You need to be logged in to grant another site permission to know your identity."

And, of course, despite this description being written for a LiveJournal user commenting as a guest on another site via OpenID, it all works pretty much the same way if you're coming from a site other than LJ (a DJ user commenting at IJ, or a Blogger user commenting at LJ, or a Movable Type user commenting at Blogger; you just need to know the URL to use as your identity URL on the site where you have an account, to be able to log in via OpenID on other OpenID-enabled sites.

That's how it's supposed to work. That's how it worked for me while I was typing this up. One person so far has complained that it didn't, and I haven't yet sorted out why not -- drop me a line at dglenn@panix.com or via the LJ inbox if you can't get it to work, so I'll have some idea how often it breaks ... and if I'm lucky, wind up with enough info to send a bug report to whichever site seems to be the one causing the problem.

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