The arguments exist to justify the position, but the position doesn't depend on them, because the position comes first.
This is part of why so many conservatives hate universities, because they might teach young people that arguments matter, that evidence matters, that reasoning matters.
There was an article I read several months ago. It was about how the religious right got the bright idea of having its own (largely unaccedited) colleges, which would serve as feeder schools to the halls of power in the US. The idea would be to raise up a generation of arch-conservative Christian lawyers who would then go about remaking this country in their image.
As part of that agenda (the article explained), debate teams were popularized in fundamentalist Christian homeschooling circles. Debate team was seen as preparatory for this high calling as part of the forthcoming Christian legal offensive, so promising and ambitious young folks took to it in droves.
The homeschooling religious right is now dealing with a massive apostasy problem.
Turns out, teaching kids formal rhetoric is exactly as dangerous to fundamentalist faith as the most starry-eyed idealist liberal school teachers always hoped it would be. Even when rhetoric teachers are teaching it with a whopping bias.
To the parents and the movement that brought them up, the ex-homeschoolers know they must seem not just disappointing but unfathomable. Their parents believed they had a recipe for raising kids who would never rebel and would faithfully perpetuate their parents’ values into future generations. But the ex-homeschoolers say that it was being trained as world-changers that led them to question what they were taught—and ultimately led them to leave.
“I grew up hearing that we were the Joshua Generation,” says Rachel Coleman, a 26-year-old leader in the ex-homeschooler movement. “We were the shock troops, the best trained and equipped, the ones who were to make a difference in the fight—a fight between God and Satan for the soul of America.” Coleman, who co-founded the watchdog site Homeschooling’s Invisible Children, is writing a doctoral dissertation at Indiana University about children and the rise of the Christian right in the 1970s and 1980s. Her parents, she says, told her and her 11 siblings that they hadn’t become missionaries themselves because “they’re raising up the 12 of us to go be pastors, missionaries, and politicians. They’re changing the world through these kids.”
When he addresses incoming students at Patrick Henry, Michael Farris likes to dream aloud of the day when the president of the United States and the Oscar winner for best picture are homeschooling graduates who roomed together at the college. That would be a sign that fundamentalist homeschooling was, in the movement’s lingo, “winning the culture.” Youth civics ministries like TeenPact, which hosts training camps for homeschoolers to mingle with lobbyists and write sample legislation, encourage homeschoolers to “change America for Christ.” HSLDA’s youth-activism group, Generation Joshua, works on voter-registration drives, lobbies at state legislatures, and door-knocks for conservative candidates. As Farris told The New York Times, “If we put enough kids in the farm system, some may get to the major leagues.”
For Ryan Stollar and many other ex-homeschoolers, debate club changed everything. The lessons in critical thinking, he says, undermined Farris’s dream of creating thousands of eloquent new advocates for the homeschooling cause. “You can’t do debate unless you teach people how to look at different sides of an issue, to research all the different arguments that could be made for and against something,” Stollar says. “And so all of a sudden, debate as a way to create culture-war soldiers backfires. They go into this being well trained, they start questioning something neutral like energy policy, but it doesn’t stop there. They start questioning everything.”
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Some homeschooling leaders have reacted just as the ex-homeschoolers expected—by suggesting that parents further tighten the reins. Kevin Swanson of the Christian Home Educators of Colorado warned listeners of his podcast, Generations with Vision, about “apostate homeschoolers” who were organizing online. Swanson, who helped bring debate clubs to Colorado, said he’d seen a “significant majority” of debate alumni turn out wrong, becoming “prima donnas” and “big shots.” “I’m not saying it’s wrong to do speech/debate,” Swanson told his listeners, “but I will say that some of the speech/debate can encourage sort of this proud, arrogant approach and an autonomous approach to philosophy—that truth is relative.”
(*cough* as my in-laws chide me for arguing that the death penalty may in fact be an option for a man who tortured a 4 year girl to death, telling me that *I* am not being logical...)
How do we make them feel sufficiently safe to talk openly with us? Shira, MEOW Date: 11 September 12014 H.E.
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This is part of why so many conservatives hate universities, because they might teach young people that arguments matter, that evidence matters, that reasoning matters.
*sigh*
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As part of that agenda (the article explained), debate teams were popularized in fundamentalist Christian homeschooling circles. Debate team was seen as preparatory for this high calling as part of the forthcoming Christian legal offensive, so promising and ambitious young folks took to it in droves.
The homeschooling religious right is now dealing with a massive apostasy problem.
Turns out, teaching kids formal rhetoric is exactly as dangerous to fundamentalist faith as the most starry-eyed idealist liberal school teachers always hoped it would be. Even when rhetoric teachers are teaching it with a whopping bias.
Aristotle would be so fucking pleased.
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Thanks for sharing that!
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Logic -YES!
how to change hatred for learning?
(*cough* as my in-laws chide me for arguing that the death penalty may in fact be an option for a man who tortured a 4 year girl to death, telling me that *I* am not being logical...)
How do we make them feel sufficiently safe to talk openly with us?
Shira, MEOW Date: 11 September 12014 H.E.