posted by [personal profile] polydad at 12:39pm on 2014-10-05
It'd have been a lot more helpful if he could have summed up in a few short words precisely what that hard work *is*. It doesn't seem to fit well into English; I don't suppose Spanish is any easier.

As near as I can tell from my own experience, it's a form of shaming -- one behaves with such moral integrity as to shame one's opponents into inaction, from which position their evil works can be dismantled. Problem is, this only works when one's opponents *have* a sense of shame. Sometimes they do, other times one collects a new set of lumps if one is lucky, or a new crop of dead friends if one is not.
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posted by [personal profile] meowdate at 01:55pm on 2014-10-05
... as William James pointed out, in his essay on The Moral Equivalent of War.

True, Gandhi, King, and the Albigensians do prove that you get lumps or worse with non-violent resistance, but even when the victors have no sense of shame, as with the Inquisitors (at least some of whom most have felt shame, I imagine, even if others really believed that the Church was right?), still, the Inquisitors themselves noted with admiration the courage of the Albigensians as they went to the stake. That impression, which survived the Cathars themselves, made a difference, it seems.

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posted by [personal profile] selki at 03:47pm on 2014-10-13
I think it's more effective when it includes engagement and not just shaming.
 
posted by [personal profile] polydad at 09:43pm on 2014-10-13

Could you elaborate, please?

On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:47 AM, selki - DW Comment dwnull@dreamwidth.org wrote:

selki replied to a comment you left in a Dreamwidth entry "QotD". The comment they replied to was: It'd have been a lot more helpful if he could have summed up in a few short words precisely what that hard work is. It doesn't seem to fit well into English; I don't suppose Spanish is any easier.

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