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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:24am on 2021-05-26

"I think the pervasive demand that people--especially female people--be productive and positive produces the majority of the guilt and shame we experience. I can't condone advice to smile more or work harder. The only general advice I can get behind is along the lines of 'travel abroad' or 'take a bath'--means to no clear end or product beyond themselves. Travel because other places have better food and different languages. Take a bath because the point of a bath is the bath. I find that enormously edifying. With Kant, I urge us to act as if our bath pleasure is not a means to an end but rather an end in itself.

"Guilty pleasure texts are like baths for the mind. They're usually cast as mindless or unproductive. My first objection here is, predictably, that therein lies a particularly bad account of productivity. Pleasure is productive; it produces itself. My second is that if you're a thinking person, you can think 'productively' through any objectan essay by Susan Sontag or a Ke$ha lyric--and if NPR ever asked for my 'This I Believe' statement, I would say, with Virginia Woolf, that I think people should consume whatever media they like without any sense of shame or pride. While I'm at it, I'd also like to ask why the guys I internet-dated in the aughts lied about having read all of the Faulkner or Joyce novels they claimed to have read on their profiles. It's a curious, and frankly puritanical, notion that what you consume defines you or--worse--ranks you, that a person is only as good or as terrible as their most-listened-to songs and the spines on their shelves."

-- Arielle Zibrak, "The Concept of the Guilty Pleasure Privileges Productivity Above All Else", excerpted from Avidly Reads Guilty Pleasures (2021, New York University Press)

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posted by [personal profile] nancylebov at 11:04am on 2021-05-26
Thanks for the recommendation. I hadn't thought about it, but "guilty pleasure" is very gendered.

Lee Child's novels (Jack Reacher) are male independence/capability fantasies and real page-turners, but they aren't framed as guilty pleasures.

I'm not quite sure how it's framed, but pornography is a deprecated male pleasure, but it doesn't have the frivolousness of a "guilty pleasure". Perhaps it has the dignity of a sin.

Also, "heart attack on a plate" has a framing which isn't quite like "guilty pleasure" even though I can't quite put a finger on it.
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eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 02:45pm on 2021-06-02
I've been mulling this and, yeah, "heart attack on the plate" shares the "Yes, I'm supposed to perform an 'I know I shouldn't but...' gesture here" aspect of "It's my guilty pleasure," but it's different in some important way. Maybe the "heart attack" framing carries a subtext of, "but ain't nobody gonna tell me what to like," while "guilty pleasure" is almost an apology?
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posted by [personal profile] selki at 01:41am on 2021-05-27
"Your tastes in fiction say so much less about you than how you treat other people. This tweet seems vague and discourse-y but actually it’s specifically about one person, the sweet 91 year old lady who asked me for a stack of ‘the bloodiest murder mysteries you have’." -- https://twitter.com/asaelfic/status/1397299048311267330
eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 02:45pm on 2021-06-02
I love that.

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