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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 01:30pm on 2021-12-13

Over on Twitter, Jew Who Has It All (@JewWhoHasItAll) Posted a brilliant thread explaining Christmas the way Christians sometimes try to explain Jewish holidays to each other, which a lot of people have replied to staying in the context of the satire, and I think a lot o people will find it funny, a useful exercise in seeing dominant culture through a different lens (de-centering it), or both. And a few people will find it uncomfortable and get mad at, because there's always a few.

(Fortunately there's also a Twitter account, @JWhoKnowsItAll, that explains things @JewWhoHasItAll says that might need explaining -- I failed to catch that the reason for "yellow and white— the colors of Christianity" was a reference to the Vatican flag.)

The last tweet of the original thread directs to a fake website (which I do hope actually gets built) to look up when Christian holidays fall on the Hebrew calendar:

Check http://GregCal.com if you need to know the exact number. It is also a good resource for other Christian holiday dates since they move around so much from year to year, and it doesn't even coincide with a new moon.

And that reminded me of a conversation with a Jewish friend a few years ago, who remarked on a conversation she'd recently had with another friend, who asked what date Christmas was on, that year.

"The 25th, just like every year."

"It's the same every year?! How do they do that?"

And of course, it's exactly the same as Purim always being on the 14th of Adar, or Hanukkah being on the 25th of Kislev.

It's just that the Civil calendar, the "secular" calendar ... is actually the Christian calendar, not some neutral thing separate from religion.

It's so entrenched that even people w/ different religious calendars can forget it isn't neutral, but Christian privilege (largely resulting from historical violence) that everybody else is stuck using ours for so many things.

Others' holidays don't 'jump around on the calendar'; the calendars themselves shift around relative to each other. And once in a while it's probably good to be reminded of that.

I'll close with another line from @JewWhoHasItAll's thread that I enjoyed:

The traditional greeting is "Merry Christmas" or sometimes "Seasons Greetings." If you forget, a simple "Chag Sameach" is never wrong.
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sabotabby: (furiosa)
posted by [personal profile] sabotabby at 10:56pm on 2021-12-13
That was highly enjoyable.

I look forward to my employer, who is Very Concerned About Anti-Semitism to the point that they shut down all guest speakers because one said "Free Palestine," wishing me a Happy Hanukkah on the 17th (the last day of school).
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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 01:24am on 2021-12-14

I sometimes note that Christmas (or September or whatever) is late, or early, this year. Rosh Hashana is always on 1 Tishrei; it's September that moves around. Chanukah is always on 25 Kislev. Etc.

The idea, alas, has not caught on in my circle.

eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 08:09am on 2021-12-19
A shame that hasn't caught on.
cellio: (Default)
posted by [personal profile] cellio at 02:38am on 2021-12-20

Oh wow, have you seen GregCal? This is beautiful!

eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:14am on 2021-12-20

It started out pretty much a bare page explaining what was supposed to be funny in the first tweet that linked to it, but enough people were disappointed that it wasn't real, that by the second timeshe linked to it, it'd been dressed up & had actual info added to it. :-)

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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 03:52pm on 2021-12-20

I saw the bare page but had not known about the expansion until last night. Nice!

minoanmiss: Minoan lady scribe holding up a recursive scroll (Scribe)
posted by [personal profile] minoanmiss at 03:28am on 2021-12-14
*reads and contemplates and saves a link*
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 06:49am on 2021-12-15
Others' holidays don't 'jump around on the calendar'; the calendars themselves shift around relative to each other.

Mostly, right? Doesn't Easter move around on its own calendar, regardless of which Easter? Because it has to wind up on a Sunday? So also Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, etc?
eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 10:06am on 2021-12-15

True, Easter and the related holidays timed relative to it -- Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, Pentecost1 -- do move around on every calendar, because Easter is not timed according to one calendar, but ties two calendars together. (Well, three calendars are involved, but only two at a time.) While the calculation of the date of Easter is described using only the Gregorian calendar (or Julian calendar for Orthodox churches), the reason it's timed that way is (or was originally) to connect it to Passover ... so the complexity of the calculation, and the way it does move around, is tied to its having one foot in the Hebrew calendar and one foot in a Christian calendar.

So yes, Easter et al. are the exceptions, actually jumping around regardless of which calendar you view them in, but the reason for that is that their motion reflects how two whole calendars shift relative to each other. (Off the top of my head, I don't know whether there are other holidays that bridge two different calendars like that.)

1Yeah, Shavuot is also sometimes called Pentecost ... Christian Pentecost took its name from that. So apparently we've been like that wrt swiping others' symbols and names for thing right from the start. sigh

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posted by [personal profile] syntonic_comma at 05:08am on 2021-12-17
Christmas in December? I don't think the shepherds and their flocks would have been abiding in the fields in the winter.
eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 08:09am on 2021-12-19
Oy! No, but the history of how it got moved to December is ... er, probably 4th century marketing.
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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 02:40am on 2021-12-20

Goal: connect it to Passover but don't actually admit the validity of the Hebrew calendar for determining when that is, so sometimes Easter and Passover are a month apart. I completely understand how that kind of thing happened; "not-invented-here syndrome" runs deep. But still...

eftychia: Me in kilt and poofy shirt, facing away, playing acoustic guitar behind head (Default)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:09am on 2021-12-20

Aye, "But still..." sigh

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