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posted by [personal profile] nancylebov at 11:52am on 2022-01-18
I haven't seen it described as ending "without violence", but I'm spooked by them killing the hostage taker *after* all the victims were safe.
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posted by [personal profile] dewline at 12:11pm on 2022-01-18
To some, the retribution for the hostage-taking was itself sacred, I'm afraid.
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posted by [personal profile] nancylebov at 12:28pm on 2022-01-18
I don't know about sacred, but one of my friends preferred that money not be spent on a life sentence. I don't know how the utilitarian argument parses out, but I don't think the LEOs should be allowed to kill without need.
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posted by [personal profile] extraarcha at 04:42pm on 2022-01-18
I'm quite sure that the LEOs should not be allowed to kill without dire need.

Which part of "protect and serve" does 'executing without trial' fit into?
Edited Date: 2022-01-18 04:44 pm (UTC)
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posted by [personal profile] dewline at 11:37pm on 2022-01-18
Neither do I. We're in agreement on your closing point.

As for the arguments over "death penalty vs. life sentence"...I prefer the life sentence not only because you cannot apologise to or compensate the wrongly executed, but because death lets the righteously arrested, charged, tried and convicted of such offences as may merit drastic punishments off the hook on this side of the graveyards far too soon for my liking.
Edited Date: 2022-01-18 11:38 pm (UTC)
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 10:32pm on 2022-01-18
You know what? I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is skipping one's place in line. You can have all the revenge you want once the prosecution makes a sufficient case to a judge and jury of the accused's peers, but not a goddamned second earlier.

We, society, are entitled to get to try people who commit crimes, most especially heinous ones. Trials have value to society. Every time police kill someone – whether justified or not – they deprive society of the trial to which it is entitled, encroach upon the prerogatives of the Judiciary, and thwart all the social effects that trials are supposed to give us. This may be forgivable under some circumstances of life-and-death, but it is always a bad thing and should be seen as such, because they deprive society of something valuable.
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posted by [personal profile] dewline at 11:33pm on 2022-01-18
Amen to all of this.
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posted by [personal profile] selki at 02:19am on 2022-01-19
Also, the hostage-taker might have had valuable information about instigators, peers/allies, support system we could chip away at, etc.

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