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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:24am on 2022-11-11

"I've summed up my own complicated relationship with Remembrance Day here amongst other places. To whit: the day's evolution from sombre commemoration of the dead to social media virtue signalling seems complete. I am growing ever more fed up with the increasingly shrill demands to don a plastic flower, as if a hundred thousand dead-boys on the Somme were my responsibility.

"The calls of the Don Cherry types to wear a flower on one's lapel feel ever more like exertions to clap for Tinkerbell. Wear your poppy, or all those kids slaughtered at Ypres and Verdun died for nothing. I'm not a fan of this kind of emotional blackmail. Nor anything that smells this much like a mandatory test of state loyalty.

"Thing is, I do wear a poppy. I do attend the annual ceremonies, observe the minute of silence, and afterwards take the flower off and place on the nearest cenotaph, as you are technically supposed to do. I do it because it means a lot to those who did serve, and it costs me nothing (well, 25 cents in the box). I think it's important to remember history. But history is forgotten when memes and slogans take over. When symbols and gestures take on importance in their own right, divorced from what they represent, history is definitely forgotten.

"I am grateful that a previous generation stood up to fascism in the 1940s. And I'm not naïve enough to believe that the meek inherit the earth. Conflict, alas, appears to be inevitable. But it shouldn't be entered into blindly, and forgive me if I'm not terribly grateful when it occurs.

"The lessons of history and of war are complicated, and it's useless and insulting to boil it all down to the GI Joe themesong. If one lesson is that dictators need to be defied, could another not be less blind allegiance to the state might lead to fewer dictators? If wars need to be fought, might there be fewer of them if we got over this fetish for flags, trumpets and epaulets?"

-- [personal profile] evening_tsar 2021-11-15

[A meaningful Armistice Day / Veterans Day / Remembrance Day to everyone for whom the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month has special meaning. May the human race someday outgrow the making of war.]

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sabotabby: raccoon anarchy symbol (Default)
posted by [personal profile] sabotabby at 12:26pm on 2022-11-11
Well said.

I don't. I'm not. I don't know if that's the right decision or not. Some years I wear a white poppy when I can find one.

I'm not a pacifist and I don't believe that war is always wrong. I'm wearing the necklace made by my Ukrainian friend, currently in exile in Germany. But I'm absolutely allergic to mandatory displays of anything, and what started out as mourning has become some obligatory state function and worship of the dead, which I find disturbing.
dewline: Remembrance Poppy Image (remembrance)
posted by [personal profile] dewline at 01:06pm on 2022-11-11
For me, the poppy does mean Something beyond what the trademark holders of the moment understand or want to be understood. Yes, I also have complicated feelings about this day. They change from year to year.

Thank you for passing this along.
ex_flameandsong751: An androgynous-looking guy: short grey hair under rainbow cat ears hat, wearing silver Magen David and black t-shirt, making a peace sign, background rainbow bokeh. (reactions: this)
posted by [personal profile] ex_flameandsong751 at 01:38pm on 2022-11-11
-shy wave-

I appreciated this post. My grandfather was in WWII and I honor his memory, but I have a lot of complicated feelings about my country [US] and its military establishment, as well as the mandatory performativity that doesn't really accomplish anything. This post summed up how I feel, pretty much.
volare: US flag displayed upside down and reversed; stars in lower right corner. This is US Flag Code for "American in distress"; many have been using this to describe the entire country. (distress)
posted by [personal profile] volare at 03:05pm on 2022-11-11
amen.
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posted by [personal profile] extraarcha at 04:40pm on 2022-11-11
  " ... might there be fewer of them if we got over this fetish for flags, trumpets and epaulets?"
Should include:
  " ... might there be fewer of them if we got over this fetish for "royalty", flags, trumpets and epaulets?"

As a veteran, i ask why doesn't the government that causes damage and death to troops take care of those who were injured in whatever manner? Full (sort of) health care while in service (to keep troops able to be killed or injured while being used as cannon fodder) but on separation from service, many are kicked out and are on their own. It's wrong to have lots of people seem to get to feel good because they send a few dollars to take care of those the government has turned their back on. PSTD, respiratory (drinking, now? Camp LaJune ads?) and other service inflicted injuries often get turned away by VA.

Vote against any politician who is a "Hawk."
Edited Date: 2022-11-11 04:40 pm (UTC)
mesozoic: plush sauropod (Default)
posted by [personal profile] mesozoic at 06:19pm on 2022-11-12
Thank you.

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