I know I've wondered this aloud before, but it still bothers me ... why does a "classic rock" radio station, which has two or three decades worth of music to choose from and no "latest" or "current" releases to have to worry about, need the concept of "heavy rotation"? (Okay, to be fair, maybe it's only "medium rotation", but it seems like I'm hearing the same songs an awful lot.) However good a song is, I will notice that I'm hearing the same songs every day, and if I listen to the radio a lot, I most certainly will notice that I've heard the same song three or four times today! Yeah, there are songs I don't mind hearing that often, but with such a huge number of good songs from the period, why should the playlist get repetetive?
(What's the classic-rock period these days anyhow? Is 1966 still classic-rock or has it been redefined into oldies now? I know the upper end is later than I'm used to thinking of the classic phase being ... is the period roughly 1966-1980? Narrower? Wider? Later? Personally, I'd be inclined to say 1962-1976, but I'm neither a musicologist nor a radio-industry businessman, just a musician and listener. IIRC, radio stations calling themselves classic-rock started adding "and eighties" to their "greatest music of the sixties and seventies" slogans not long after they came into existence.)
Let's assume fifty minutes -- well, forty nine to make the math come out in round numbers -- of music, and eleven minutes of commercials, announcements, and chitchat every hour. Is that anywhere close to reasonable? (Maybe I should start timing the station I've been listening to. If the songs average three and a half minutes, that's fourteen songs an hour, or 336 songs per day. How many songs are there in the Beatles catalog alone? (Not counting the "rarities" albums and The Beatles Featuring Tony Sheridan (I can live without "Mister Moonlight", much as I like everything else they did.).) If I can list 672 songs Really Worth Playing (two days worth), that means we shouldn't have any good excuse for playing the same song three or four times in the same day, right? (Twice maybe just because a couple of DJs really like that song.) If you define the classic-rock period as 1966-1980, that means we need to find an average of 49 songs Really Worth Listening to from each year. Or about four albums worth. They can't find four LPs worth of good music per year from the period they're hailing as such a glorious time for rock 'n' roll? There are some years when you could just pick four actual albums that didn't have any duds on them, without having to pull the one good track from this album to replace one of the two not-good-enough songs on that other album to make your average.
(For example: what songs would fail to pass muster on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band or Revolver? Led Zeppelin's fourth album? It's been way too long since I've heard Frampton Comes Alive -- were there any duds on that one? There are entire albums from the classic rock period that you can just drop into the playlist whole.)
Of course, if we define the classic-rock period as 1960-1989, then we only need to find two albums-worth of Good Stuff per year. And if you're willing to include some really good stuff that was kind of obscure because it didn't get a lot of airplay at the time (not the duds, the buried treasure), the job gets easier still.
Come to think of it, I was listening to album-rock stations in the late 1970s and early 1980s (before classic-rock became a station-genre classification), and they'd sometimes do a "greatest rock songs from A to Z" weekend, and it'd take all weekend and somebody (okay, me) would complain that one of their favourites got left out anyhow.
So why have I heard "I Wanna Rock All Night (And Party Every Day)" four times in the past twenty four hours and at least three more times in the four days before that despite not having the radio on all the time? And I think I've heard "Paint It Black" aproximately once a day. I like "Paint It Black", but I wouldn't mind hearing "She's A Rainbow", "Ruby Tuesday", and "2000 Light Years From Home" as well, instead of "Paint It Black" every day. "Black Bottom Girls" is good, but why not push it aside once in a while in favour of "Killer Queen", "I'm In Love With My Car", "'39", "Get Down, Make Love", and "Death On Two Legs"? Why haven't I heard anything by ELO since I tuned in, and precious little ELP?
The problem isn't that they're playing bad music -- it's all good (some better than others ... though if you'd told the teenage me that I'd someday say a Kiss song other than "Beth" was any good at all, I'd have looked at you funny); it's that they're playing the same music over and over and ignoring so much other good music. And I just don't get it. Why?
(And why, if the period extends into the 1980s, can't I hear any Tuff Darts songs? Oh, because there isn't a classic-punk station, right. But that music is part of my treasured memories as well. *sigh*)
I've always been troubled by what I perceive as a lack of imagination in mainstream radio (though it's probably just "being cautious not to risk alienating any of their designated demographic"), wondering why only one track from an album was allowed to be "the hit" (while other tracks on the same album were better) when I was in high school, for example, but the idea that a station with decades of music to play would limit itself to relatively few songs just boggles me.
Of course, this is why I listen to an "alternative" station (by which I mean really alternative, not just slapping the alternative label on an old album-rock station that has since gone poppy) when I have a choice. The radio on the kitchen counter is tuned to WRNR (103.1 FM Annapolis), and my car radio alternates between that and WTOP (1500 AM Washington -- news/traffic/weather). Unfortunately, I can't tune that in on my shower radio, nor on the boom box that's feeding into my stereo, so I'm settling for a classic-rock station that would otherwise be my "when I feel like hearing something that brings back memories" once-in-a-while station.
I went through a "today's music really sucks" phase for a while, and started wondering whether I'd turned into a curmudgeon before my time -- was I really stuck on only the music I'd listened to as a teen, and nothing else would ever sound right? Eventually I realized that it was because so much of the music on the radio then really did suck. When I started hanging out with younger folks who really got into interesting music, they played me the records that were current but not getting airplay. Funny thing: suddenly many of my music-intensive friends my own age were talking about the same artists. Later, I did start hearing interesting music on the radio again, but I had to go to smaller stations to find the songs that were interesting and not merely technically polished. There's also the matter of exploring other genres -- early music, baroque, Celtic, Eastern, bluegrass -- but I think that maybe the rock portion of my brain hasn't completely ossified yet. I just had to get past the worst years of the synth-pop era (there's good synth-pop, but there was a lot of bad synth-pop) and a couple of other trouble spots.
The slogan of WRNR is "Everything, in no particular order," and while I have not heard opera, disco, or gospel on that station yet, I have heard songs that definitely weren't rock. They play current "alternative" rock, classics, oldies, and obscure songs that are solidly rock'n'roll by groups I'd never heard of before. They play local artists. While they definitely do have a strong rock leaning, I've heard folk, Celtic, something that I think was klezmer, and I think a few others that I'm not remembering at the moment. It's a reasonable match for me, exposing me to stuff I don't already know, so I can find out what else I like besides my known favourites. I don't have to like all of it; I'm willing to risk hearing something that makes me go "ehhh" if I know something really interesting is likely to turn up at any moment.
But then, I'm almost certainly not a typical radio listener. Heck, I'm not sure I'm a "typical" anything. People like me are probably the problem that internet "radio" stations are there to solve, but I've got this tiny 56K pipe and underpowered workstations, so I can seldom afford the bandwidth and CPU load for listening to those (though I'm aware of a few pretty cool ones, such as the one that specializes in artists who perform at Renaissance faires).
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Ironically, the best radio is in the smallest markets. My favorite kind of station is the middle of nowhere station where they can't afford to market one demographic. Even though they might mostly play the "hits" they'll be combining a Clint Black hit with a Vines hit and a Mary J Blige hit. While I wouldn't normally listen to any of those artists on their own, juxtaposed off each other they're kind of cool.
Down here in Austin, the radio is pretty diverse. At least the selection of stations allows for a person to make their own mix. The Classical station plays something other than the light classics that most stations play. There is a Classic Country station which is pretty cool. there are the requisite Classic Rock, new rock and a mix of both stations. But mostly I listen to the Public Radio station. They play more music than any public radio station I've ever heard. During the day there is a show called "eclectikos" where the guy plays music to fit a theme or themes and he does play Opera and folk, and rock and jazz and anything else that will fit. His personal taste in music is a bit, "light" for my taste but I'm still fascinated by the show because it is sooooo diverse. Their other shows are equally so. Ive heard them go from Miles Davis to Jurrasic Five on a "jazz" show.
Since you aren't in austin though, I'd reccomend just listen to records. Thats wht I mostly did in Chicago.
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*boggle*
Your NPR station sounds way cool. Around here, once you get past morning drive time, things mostly seem to shift over to talk on NPR.
The problem with just listening to records is that it doesn't expose me to the stuff I haven't heard yet and don't already know I like, the stuff I've forgotten I liked 'cause I haven't heard it in a long time, and the stuff that I like but haven't been able to afford to buy yet.
The first problem is the biggest. (Not that listening to a classic rock station is any better in that regard.)
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The slogan of WRNR is "Everything, in no particular order,"
I now want this station.
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I like their mix of music, I like the fact that the mix is so broad and so deep, and I like the fact that they give local artists a little airtime. (They used to play my brother's band, Blue Miracle.)
I just hope that success doesn't spoil this version as well. And that if it does, the important part will splinter off to find a new home again.
lets try this again...
When classic rock radio first came into being, it was "everything that wasn't oldies, wasn't disco, wasn't 'mellow music', but pre-dated the 80s". And that was pretty much it for restrictions. Stations played long, deep tracks (e.g., Yes's And You And I, Starship Trooper), they played obscure album-only tracks that weren't singles (BoC's Veteran of the Psychic Wars), they played long jams (Live Dead, or the live version of CSNY's Southern Man). They appealed at first to a broad base that wasn't interested in 80s AOR or Metal, but needed something besides pop and/or oldies. Things were happy for a while.
2 things hit at the same time that killed it. 1) the death of AOR as a format due to Nirvana -- even in Rock, the hit single is all that mattered. 2) the great consolidation of radio stations. The latter is the most devestating. With stations going public, and then to increase profits (you don't increase profits in your own listening market because there's a limited # of listeners and you've probably already attracted them), buying more stations in other markets...and to keep the profits up, buying MORE stations, 'til you hit the max that ClearChannel is currently at (and pissing Wall St. off because they can't get any bigger, but can't incrase profits any other way...lousy business plan, IMHO).
So to maximize listeners, they turned to the issue of what causes people to leave your station and channel-surf (besides commercials), and decided it came down to hearing songs they didn't like. So to react to that, they continued the "market research" and came up with the idea of only playing the most popular song from any group deemed "classic rock". In many cases, this reduced a groups 30+ year career to 1 song (BoC only get "Don't Fear the Reaper"). Maybe 2 (Journey gets Wheel in the Sky and Don't Stop Believing). Yes is high on the list with three (All Good People, Roundabout, Owner of a Lonely Heart). The only exceptions are the Beatles, Led Zep, and the Who (also the top three groups in these market surveys). Groups that didn't even make the top 50-100 of all groups were dropped entirely.
Frampton's live album now has only one song in CR rotation : Show Me the Way. Do You Feel Like I Do is 15 minutes long and mostly jamming, which could cause people to change the station, and Baby I Love Your Way is now labeled adult contemporary (i.e., mellow music) and shows up on those stations (if not replaced by the Ashford and Simpson version).
DJ's don't pick the music. They are only their as personalities to attract listeners. The demographic research shows certain DJ's attract listeners who like a certain type of music, so they become tied together (e.g., a DJ with a female following will tend to play more arena-rock music and rock-ballads, but again that's a programming choice by the manager, not by the DJ).
Basically, its like asking for the Discovery Channel's content when you only have network TV. What you do get from TDC is the watered-down version like the for-kids edits of "Walking With Dinosaurs" on saturday morning NBC. The unfortunate fact (for people on typical budgets) is that to get what you want out of radio, you're likely going to have to pay for it. Satelite is the only option left (at $100+ for a kit, and $10 / month).
A recent article in the Post describes the "magic" of FM radio as that moment where you just turn it on and exactly the song you needed to hear is what's playing and your entire day is perfect as a result...that hasn't happened to me since 1987. So I gave up. I control or cater to my own mood through music, not some ratings-dependent programmer in some office in Illinois, handling 5 stations in 2 markets with 3 different formats.
"All we hear is Radio GaGa, Radio Blah Blah".
and THIS someone doesn't love it anymore.
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dont know if u saw this
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/20/0227226&mode=thread
Angie
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A57791-2003Jan15?language=printer
Many of the points in the article were made by other commenters above (and kudos to them for knowing this stuff!), but perhaps with less historical context, so it's worth a read.