"Umm... someone who should never, ever be giving social advice"
Okay, yeah, there's a certain irony in that, though he's talking about a particular interaction in a particular environment here...
"The hacker needs to learn how to advise people in a way that the listener learn from and respond to."
I say you're both right. Eric's statements are true, but overlook (out of tunnel-vision or out of a desire to not complicate the point) the optimization you point out. Yes, the hacker is defending his environment and attempting to educate, and yes, this would be much more effective if the recipients didn't need a lesson in how to listen to it.
(I don't claim to be perfect, but I try to make a point of explaining in other people's communication styles why what they've done is wrong for the medium they're using, even when an irate voice in the back of my head is muttering, "useless clueless newbie begone". That includes trying to lead them rather than merely stating that they screwed up. Maybe when I'm eighty I'll take the time to go through my mail archives and try to figure out how well or poorly I've done at this.)
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Okay, yeah, there's a certain irony in that, though he's talking about a particular interaction in a particular environment here...
"The hacker needs to learn how to advise people in a way that the listener learn from and respond to."
I say you're both right. Eric's statements are true, but overlook (out of tunnel-vision or out of a desire to not complicate the point) the optimization you point out. Yes, the hacker is defending his environment and attempting to educate, and yes, this would be much more effective if the recipients didn't need a lesson in how to listen to it.
(I don't claim to be perfect, but I try to make a point of explaining in other people's communication styles why what they've done is wrong for the medium they're using, even when an irate voice in the back of my head is muttering, "useless clueless newbie begone". That includes trying to lead them rather than merely stating that they screwed up. Maybe when I'm eighty I'll take the time to go through my mail archives and try to figure out how well or poorly I've done at this.)