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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 03:10pm on 2003-10-31

I was planning on trying to get some other things done first, such as checking to see which costumes I can re-assemble by tonight without having to buy anything, trying to figure out which parties I have any way to get to (if any), and sorting through some email, but other folks' journal entries have got my brain all distractified, so I'm going to core-dump now and get to the other stuff later.

First, to the folks who celebrate this holiday and call it Hallowe'en: Happy Hallowe'en! As for the folks who celebrate Samhain, well there's some confusion about that which I'll go into a few paragraphs down, but for now, Happy Samhain!

Me, I'm a Christian, but I think All Saints Day is just a little ... weak. Everything I like about All Saints Eve (aka All Hallows Eve (Hallows E'en (Hallowe'en))) is really Samhain stuff that the Church failed to obliterate when it stuck All Hallows on top of Samhain's date. Yeah, a lot of Pagan imagery and customs persist in Christmas and Easter, but the Christian significance of those holidays is impossible to miss. With Hallowe'en, the Christian aspect is buried in the Celtic Pagan stuff.

Which puts me in an interesting spot: Hallowe'en/Samhain is my favourite holiday, but the holiday I'm celebrating is really from someone else's religion. (Easter, for the record, is the one I consider the most important holiday, but Samhain is more fun.) I don't really celebrate Hallowe'en; I celebrate Samhain. I just call it Hallowe'en part of the time to avoid confusing people who have no clue what Samhain is. In this regard I'm in the same boat as at least one person on my friends list, whom I'd point to except that she wrote about it in a locked entry.

Anyhow, in addtion to starting to explain my personal feelings about this holiday (more on that later), the little historical asides set up the confusion bit: You see, Samhain was the Celtic new year. And the Christian church tried to cover it up with All Hallows. Which suggests that Samhain would be 1 November, not 31 October. And I'd always thought that was the case -- that either the holiday starts at sundown, or that the big fuss is a Samhain-Eve party just like we make a big fuss on the evening of 31 December and have quieter traditions on 1 January (such as comparing hangover rememdies, watching lots of television, and eating black-eyed peas). But, of course, just as all the fun stuff and symbolism overwhelmed the weak attempt to cover it up with a new Christian holiday, all of that is attached to the 31 October date ... so everyone who focuses on those aspects is going to refer to 31 October, not 1 November, as Samhain. Here's my confusion and my queston (which I've also posted in comments to other people's journals): have I been mistaken all the years I've wished folks "Happy New Year" on the first of November instead of the last day of October? Or are the folks saying that Hallowe'en == Samhain being sloppy?

Either way, happy "night between the years, when the veil between the worlds is at its thinnest", whether that's properly Samhain or Samhain-eve. Or happy All Hallow's Eve, for the folks for whom that's more appropriate.

I've heard lots of explanations for trick-or-treat, jack-o-lanterns, and all the "spooky" imagery and symbolism associated with this holiday, and enough of those explanations sound bogus that I'm not sure how well to trust the ones that sound reasonable. Here's what does make sense to me: that Samhain is the old Celtic new-year, that the changing of the years includes some period of time "between the years" that's not "normal time", and that during that between-the-years time, the barriers between this world and the [next/other] are thinner than normal. So scary things (but also lost friends and relatives) might come visiting, and it's a more potent time than usual for magick. Note that you don't have to believe in magick, or other worlds, for this to make sense from a sociological/anthropological/comparitive-religion standpoint. And I'm not claiming "This Is The True Historical Explanation"; I'm just saying that of all the well-argued and poorly-argued explanations I've read (so far), these are the elements that sound right to me.

Anyhow, it makes sense that it's a special night, and a powerful night. (By the way, I've read one source that said Samhain was traditionally ten days long, and the whole ten days were considered "between the years". That source had no bibliography and I haven't found the same claim made anywhere else, but it's an interesting notion. I'd love to see it confirmed or debunked.) The more so if one does believe in ... well let's go for a less touchy phrasing in our mostly rationalist-materialist culture, and say, "if one does have an interest in mysticism," for now, okay?

Hallowe'en, with its costume aspects and its "be someone you wouldn't normally be" tradition, has long been an important holiday for both gay culture and transgendered people (whether they're involved in "the culture" or not). Being transgendered, hey I've got one more reason to be drawn to a holiday that already has a lot going for it. And for most people, there's a lot of interesting psychology in this "excuse to look foolish or shocking or in any way different" night. There are so many ways to approach Hallowe'en costumes -- make people laugh, show people how clever you are, show people how skilled you are at crafts, be as scary as possible, be as flashy as possible ... and also, for the folks who choose to go there, a chance to wear a look or a persona you've wanted to but have been afraid to (or one that's considered "inappropriate" for one reason or another), or to confront something personally scary, or to try on something you've wondered about but don't know whether you'd like (or wouldn't want to be but would like to visit for a night). Or even something not so secret but that you never get a chance to show off in public. And the great thing about that second group of reasons for picking a costume is that on this night of the year, nobody can tell that you're doing that instead of some reason from the first group, so it's safe. If anyone looks at you funny, you can say, "It was just a Hallowe'en costume," and whatever they may think, they have to at least pretend to accept that explanation.

That's a powerful tool. Magical in its own, non-mystical way. (Though come to think of it, there are mystical aspects to masks as well ... but that's for a different paragraph.) And even though I don't know which of my friends are trying on a persona they've been keeping hidden and which are merely trying to be clever, it's fun to think about what might come out. It's fun to think of the people I care about having that night of emotional/identity freedom, even though I don't know which of them need that and which are just trying to come up with something to wear. (Me, I've chosen costumes several different ways. Yes, there was a time when I used Hallowe'en as an "excuse" to wear a skirt, dipping my toe in the water of peer-reaction; one or two people caught on faster than they had any right to, but they followed the Hallowe'en costume rule -- they played along with the "it was supposed to make everyone laugh" explanation -- and I had my safe space in which to explore.)

Trick-or-treat is for children, but I think the costume aspect of the holiday is more important for adults.

So, you've got this cool psychological experimentation ground, plus a lot of just plain clever costumes to go "Wow!" or giggle at. And let's face it, you've got some people letting themselves dress a little more "naughty" than they usually feel they're allowed to, which, for someone attracted to women and not significantly visually impaired, is just plain nice, okay? And you've got this big old excuse-for-a-party. And the fun "spooky" decorations, which can go gothy or cutesy and both of those can be fun. And an excuse to try coming up with all sorts of geeky special effects, to please the inner-geek and the wannabe-engineer (I imagine real engineers find that aspect even more fun). And there's candy. As a kid, trick-or-treat; as a grownup, leftovers from trick-or-treat.

And about the decorations ... it's an excuse for the house, heck, the whole street, to look different from what folks consider "stylish" or "acceptable" the rest of the year. And I like the change. Oh, I wouldn't like all of that stuff year-round, but it's a nice change. And some of it I would like for general decorating. At this time of year, it's not, "Oh how weird; how could you do that?" It's cool.

I've got a lot to like about this holiday. Admittedly, most of what I've listed relates to thoroughly modern details only loosely inspired by the Pagan roots of the holiday, but they have more to do with those roots than the special Mass the next morning.

And then we come back to the mystical aspect.

This is something I don't talk about all that much, because more than anything else I am, this is the bit most likely to light up the "Flake!" sign in other people's minds. More than being a born-again Christian, or a vegetarian, or into BDSM, or transgendered, or a medeival re-enactor, or a science fiction fan, or a football fan, or that I voted Green in the last presidential election. Saying that I am a mystic, or that I believe in some form of magick, is one of the most dangerous things I can say. So I don't say it often.

But I do say it. I'm just usually a bit more careful about my audience than right now. Though there is a page on my web site that gives it away.

Samhain may not be my faith's holiday, but I can feel that it's a powerful time, a special time. Like the Christian who whispered behind a friends-only filter, "Shh, don't tell, it's my favourite Holiday!" today, I note the thinning of the veil. I feel that after the partying (or, if the party runs too late, when I get a chance to excuse myself from the party for a little while), it's a time for quiet, personal contemplation and prayer. To feel that connection to the Earth, to the various energies around me, and to God. It's a good time to make sure I'm paying attention to the magickal, and to make sure whatever protections I feel prudent to set up are strong.

One year I had no party to go to for Samhain. And no great costume ideas. But the idea of letting the holiday go unmarked troubled me, so I put on medeival garb, put a guitar on my back and a sword at my hip, lit an oil lantern, and walked a few miles to the Seven-Eleven store for a snack. It was late enough that few other people were about, and walking down the highway, few enough cars passed me to interrupt my meditation -- it's so much easier and safer to meditate while walking than while driving, and I wanted to feel connected to the world around me -- that I had time to really get into the feel of the night and that particular place. Midnight struck while I was walking home again. And something moved in the corner of my eye.

There I was in a Maryland suburb, surrounded by tidy lawns and driveways, and something -- somethings -- moved where I could not quite see them. There were a half dozen or maybe eight, and never there when I looked where I thought they'd been; always on the far edges of my peripheral vision, indistinct. Small, wispy, pale, and not-quite-there. So I stopped. And drew forth my guitar.

I played for them, and they danced. And when I tired of playing, I put the guitar on my back and I bowed to them. I thanked them for their dance, and they dispersed. And I walked the rest of the way home.

There are plenty of biological or psychological explanations for what I experienced. I don't claim that my experience proves such things are real -- even of there were no other explanations, the experience was solo, unconfirmed by other eyes than my own. But I know what I took away from that experience. Phenomenologically, it was real. The joy and connectedess I felt were significant and meaningful. This is not a science problem; this is something else entirely. (And science cannot tell me, in this case, that it was not real; science can only offer explanations for how it might not have been. I do not believe in what I saw as a scientist; I believe it as a mystic.)

Most years I try to find some time -- even if only fifteen minutes -- to spend in a park or someplace not too oppressively "civilized", just reaching out with my mind and reminding myself of my connection to the land, the plants, the sky, and to the Lord. Worst case, I just wait for the city to quiet down and stare out at the night sky for a while.

I can always go back to being a scientist again in the morning.

So there you have a great deal of what Samhain means to me; a holiday not of my own religion, but which is important to me on a religious level nonetheless. And all the other stuff I said about it before I got to the magickal parts.

It's my favourite holiday. And now I've said why.

And I'm listening to a song that, by rights, I should listen to every day of the year except today. :-)

"They say, 'why are you dressed like it's Hallowe'en? you look so absurd, you look so obscene'
Why can't I live a life for me?
Why should I take the abuse that's served?
Why can't they see they're just like me?"

Music:: Ministry,"Everyday Is Halloween",Twelve Inch Singles
Mood:: 'contemplative' contemplative
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posted by [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com at 12:23pm on 2003-10-31
Thanks for the sharing and the clarification, which I needed somewhat as well. Will reread this more carefully after I come back from class, but I have to run now.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 03:02pm on 2003-10-31
I'm interested in your thoughts on the cut-tagged part later. It relates to a conversation I've wanted to have but that we've never gotten around to.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 06:59pm on 2003-10-31
The perspective is very Orthodox Eastern and Celtic Christian... time is eternity, we remember others in eternity, they do not die as spirit cannot be killed, so they are there with us, time-veil is lifted, as it is on the Cross, as it is in the Eucharist, as it is at all the different "New Years" such as Oct 31/ Nov 1, Dec 25/Jan 1, March 17-April 1, and for the Byzantines even September 1st (although they celebrate a guy named Simeon who sat atop of a very large pillar). It is always possible to lift the time-veil, but for some, it is necessary to set aside a particular day for this. As with many things in any culture, it is almost necessary to have an "approved" time to set aside time. Why on Celtic New Years... as an appropriation? St. Gregory the Dialogist (also known as a Pope who had a number of things named after him, such as a type of liturgical music, a form of liturgics, etc., although in fact these were invented centuries later) did say that people should celebrate this time as an "All Saints' Day" in order that they should understand the Christian day... which was _already_ celebrated every year one week after Pentecost, and continued to be celebrated then as well. (Most people don't realize that the church calendar actually has at least two dates for "All Saints," and the Byzantines, who claim that they only have the date one week after Pentecost, actually celebrate "All Saints" as well on every Saturday in Lent.) The reason that November 1st (or Oct 31st) was "borrowed" was that it was so close in spirit (sorry, bad pun) to what was already appreciated in Christianity: the continuity of souls, eternity, visitation and continuation of a community of Saints. Not to pray to them, but to celebrate with them, and ask them to pray among us and with us and for us, and we for them and among them. There is often a throng. It feels like Thanksgiving, or Christmas, or a big birthday party. Ever hear yourself sing, and it seems as though there are more than echoes accompanying you? That an orchestra tunes up? Well, there it is. That is sometimes called the "communion of the Saints," but that sounds so formal and cold, and somehow these ghosts are warm, not the cold ectoplasm of "ghostbusters." It is impossible to "steal" this holiday, because to do so would mean that you are sneaking into life. This holiday is too much like walking in the front door.
Happy All-Hallows,
Elizabeth
 
posted by [identity profile] juuro.livejournal.com at 12:24pm on 2003-10-31
It is my understanding that practically every pre-Christian celebration commences at sundown. And not only pre-Christian: even in modern Finland, Sunday as the Christian sabbath is seen to start at 6pm on Saturday evening.

I'm glad you said you feel Easter is the most important holiday. Each and every year I despair at seeing Christmas being glorified (well, in the more civilized world, commercialized) and Easter being damped down.

A thoughtful read, this post. Thank you.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 03:00pm on 2003-10-31
I had been wondering about sundown starts for non-Christian holidays (whether that was a general rule or specific to the few traditions I know anything about) for a while. I had no idea that it applied to Christian ones some places as well. Interesting! Though I've never understood why we don't also see folks who start the day at sunrise instead of ending the day at sunset. Has to do with agriculture?

As for Christmas and Easter, well the way I look at it is this: the birth of our Saviour is important, but everybody has a birthday (and we don't even celebrate His at the right time of year); but the very core of our religion is that He rose on the third day after he was crucified; the whole message of our Faith is wrapped up in Easter weekend.

But I'm preaching to the choir at this point, huh?

 
posted by [identity profile] juuro.livejournal.com at 10:05pm on 2003-10-31
I don't know whether this is my own misguided thinking or a faint recollection of what I may have read or heard somewhere, but the concept goes something like this.

A day obviously ends in the evening. A night is a time of danger, of darkness and things associated with darkness. Thus, whenever possible, it is better to extend the protection of the following sacral day over the preceding night, as well.

And possibly agricultural life has something to do with it, as well. After one has attended to the cows and done the various other chores, there's better time to get in the spirit of the weekly holy day than in the morning when one has to feed and milk the cows, Sunday or not.

The whole message of our Faith is wrapped up in Easter weekend.


Amen! Although I cannot in complete honesty say whether I share the Faith. I was raised Christian (well, Protestant) and I still subscribe to much of the doctrine, but I have suspicions of not all the spirit world being fundamentally opposed to Lord Father.
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 01:10pm on 2003-10-31
Is it a part of Christianity (at least, your flavor of it) that you're only supposed to observe holidays for things directly pertaining to Christianity? If so, what do you do about the 4th of July and New Year's Eve?

Perhaps, not being a Christian (nor, for that matter, a pagan), I'm missing something fundamental; I welcome correction. It seems to me that your observance of Samhain is not in conflict with Christianity.

Or put another way: if one grants that Samhain has some real difference on a metaphysical level, if one observes this for oneself, what then is one to do about it if one is a Christian? Ignore it? Temporarily stop being a Christian? Or find a way to be a Christian in the days between the years? It seems intergrity requires this third path, which is what you have chosen.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 02:36pm on 2003-10-31
Independence Day and New Year's Eve are not religious holidays. The same is true of President's Day and Memorial Day. So there's no conflict and no cognitive dissonance there.

But Samhain is a Pagan religious holiday -- it's not just not-Christian, it's a religious holiday from another religion.

Now this is more a cognitive dissonance issue than an actual "in conflict with my religion" problem. If I felt it was actually in conflict, I would have to stop observing Samhain. Instead, what I've done is to focus on the secular traditions (ignoring for the moment their religious roots) and the magical aspects, and using those as a framework in which to worship my God. So while the Pagan origins make it odd, I'm not actually worshipping any of the pre-Christian Celtic deities.

(It helps that I see nothing amiss with a Christian being involved with magic -- the Biblical prohibitions pretty much amount to "do not consult the fortune-tellers of the people you just conquered". I'll write about what it's like to be a Christian in Circle some other time. For now I'll merely note that there are long traditions of Christian magi, and that I've seen "calling the quarters" done invoking archangels and using very Christian imagery.)

That leaves the notion of "the days between the years" in another religion's calendar as the mysterious part. (The secular calendar most of us use is, let's face it, the Christian calendar. It's just that if we're going to be polite about it, we say "common era" (CE) instead of "in the year of our Lord" (AD).) To that, I can only say that I feel it, though I can't explain it within the context of my religion, and note that yes, it does coincide date-wise with the explanation from another religion. That I can't explain it using only my religion isn't a big deal -- my religion doesn't explain how gravity warps space or the U.S. Supreme Court, either. That it happens to line up with a major holiday for someone else is ... interesting. So there is again strangeness but no outright conflict.

Am I still on your third path?
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 06:10pm on 2003-10-31
So while the Pagan origins make it odd, I'm not actually worshipping any of the pre-Christian Celtic deities.


Yeah, that's what I was getting at.



That leaves the notion of "the days between the years" in another religion's calendar as the mysterious part.


Just because ancient Babylonians worshiped the sun doesn't mean the sun doesn't exist, nor that Christianity requires it's adherents to disbelieve in or ignore the sun. It merely requires them not to worship it as a god.



The secular calendar most of us use is, let's face it, the Christian calendar.


Well, a Christian calendar, as my raised-Greek-Orthodox-bf would be happy to point out. :)



To that, I can only say that I feel it, though I can't explain it within the context of my religion, and note that yes, it does coincide date-wise with the explanation from another religion. That I can't explain it using only my religion isn't a big deal -- my religion doesn't explain how gravity warps space or the U.S. Supreme Court, either.


Right.



That it happens to line up with a major holiday for someone else is ... interesting. So there is again strangeness but no outright conflict.


Right, but furthermore, there's a difference between religious tradition and religious theology. Memorial Day is traditionally observed with religious observances, and, being here in the US, that means Christian observance. It is traditionally Christian. But what is being commemorated is not "owned" by Christianity. If/when I observe Memorial Day, I would not say that my non-Christian Memorial Day "happens to line up with" the Christian Memorial Day. It is Memorial Day, and I am observing precisely what my Christian neighbors are observing -- the sacrifice of those who have served this country -- and the fact that this tradition may mean something theological to them (e.g. a religious duty to pray for the souls of the dead) has nothing to do with me.

Am I making any sense?



Am I still on your third path?


Yes, precisely so.

 
posted by [identity profile] aliza250.livejournal.com at 01:31pm on 2003-10-31
Hallowe'en/Samhain is my favourite holiday, but the holiday I'm celebrating is really from someone else's religion.

Hm. At one point you described yourself as a Christian Pagan; now you sound like you identify as a Christian. What caused the shift?

Someone else commented on the parallel between a Christian celebrating the Fourth of July and a Christian celebrating Samhain/Hallowe'en; I think that's a false analogy. There's a difference between a secular holiday like a national country-birthday, a holiday with mixed secular and pan-religious significance like Thanksgiving, and a holiday rooted in someone else's religion. While Christianity has always been good at co-opting pieces of other religions, it's never had much tolerance for paying direct reverence to their customs or Gods.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 02:48pm on 2003-10-31
I've always (well, since sometime in 7th grade) identified as a Christian. For a while, noting that some of my friends identfied as "ChristoPagans", I contemplated what that label would mean in my case, and whether it made sense to me, but pretty much where I landed quite some time ago is "a Christian who has learned a lot from Pagans and who sees more points of commonality than difference between Christians and Pagans". In many ways I feel more comfortable around Pagans than with many of my fellow Christians, so "Christian member of Pagan community" also describes me.

I don't remember describing myself as a "Christian Pagan" ... I wonder whether I was keeping a diary then (or wrote about it online).

"While Christianity has always been good at co-opting pieces of other religions, it's never had much tolerance for paying direct reverence to their customs or Gods."

True. And while I'm not revering their deities, I'm treading interesting ground by honoring their customs and (unlike a lot of folks celebrating Hallowe'en) acknowledging to myself that that's what I'm doing.

Hmm.
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 06:34pm on 2003-10-31
While Christianity has always been good at co-opting pieces of other religions, it's never had much tolerance for paying direct reverence to their customs or Gods.


[emphasis mine]



When one's religion contains a prohibition against worshiping other gods, it makes sense to refuse to pay direct reverence to the gods of other religions. Sure.



So.... what about paying reverence to their customs? Is that the same thing? What are the rules against that?


 
posted by [identity profile] butterfluff.livejournal.com at 05:00pm on 2003-10-31
Treat
by Walter H. Kerr

There was one day a year we could relax
and be our plastic selves, one day or, rather
night, when we could let go, dismiss the bother
of daily fossil faking, the rigid hoax
of identity which rodded our aching backs
and turned our ego covering to leather,
one day in all the year to loose the tether
and frolic in the meadows of their tricks.

What lettings go we had, what meltings of
tension, what suspenseful waitings for the
gatherings and the soft shrieking of dusk.
And yet, despite the season's grotesque love,
the little monsters may have wondered why
we answered the bell in what they thought were masks.

[Published in "The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction 15th Series" Copyright 1964, 1965, 1966 by Mercury Press, Inc.]
 
posted by [identity profile] slfisher.livejournal.com at 12:55pm on 2003-11-01
What I heard just recently is that it's actually when the Sun is in 15 degrees Scorpio, which is usually a few days after Halloween.

I usually burn things for Samhain, with a purpose -- but of course I have to be careful what I ask for. Last year I wanted to burn for world peace, but then I thought that Bush could take over the world and then we'd have 'world peace,' so I settled for 'compassion for all beings.' Still debating on what to burn for tomorrow.

(Yes, burning is legal here.)

As far as labels, I used to identify as an 'agnostic pagan,' because I found that pagans could be at least as dogmatic as Christians -- it's just that they believed in a goddess rather than (or in addition to) a god.

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