Technically, then, I'm no longer female. I'm pretty sure I'm not producing ova. If peri- or postmenopausal women aren't women anymore, how many sperm do older men have to produce to get married?
Then there are Turner's Syndrome women born with no eggies or the wherewithal to produce them. Adolescence has to be induced. I don't remember how well it works.
There are men born with androgen insensitivity syndrome, which means they're XY but look like XX. They're just raised as female. I forget how well that works, too.
Then there are those born with ambiguous genitalia. Doctors pick a gender and assign at will.
And little slip-up during cicumcision. (cringe) Well, that gets you automatically transsexed. Or used to. I don't know what they do now.
I'm just remembering from a book I read 20+yrs ago.
My point is that these problems are nothing a newborn can have chosen, and if we're going to deny infertile people the right to marry when they find love, based purely on that, we're a truly sick culture. But I knew that already. Preach to choir. Rant concluded.
And then there's the judge's name. O Beowulf monsterlike.
Then there are those born with ambiguous genitalia. Doctors pick a gender and assign at will.
Yes I was going to add this ... From what I've read/seen on tv, the doctors pick the gender for which they can most easily create the genitalia with (cosmetic) surgery, no matter what the DNA says. These kids' gender is totally out of their hands; they have no choice since their surgery is done as babies. From the show I saw, I could even imagine doctors could do this without telling the parents the full story.
In addition to infertile people, there are always people who plan not to have children.
They can put this on TV?! Oh damn and blast! These twerps should scarce be allowed to do it, much less not tell the parents. I know they didn't used to. I'd hoped we'd grown out of the dark ages. At least a little further. I'm so glad I came out only mildly abnormal, and it's mostly in my head.
I had hoped to breed, a couple times. But I needed the right partner, and enough income to get us through if I had a hard pregnancy and had to stay still. Didn't happen by my deadline. I just cheer for my friends who are brave enough to have done it and produced offspring that are cool.
Having kids is scary if you think about it enough. You never know what's going to happen or what you're going to get. Glad my mom just did it, though. Different place, different time. ^shrug^
And little slip-up during cicumcision. (cringe) Well, that gets you automatically transsexed. Or used to. I don't know what they do now.
Badly.
"As Nature Made Him" by John Colapinto relates the history of the child. They tried really really hard to indoctrinate the child into being female. It failed.
He's now living as a man and much happier.
Apparently, gender identity is more nature than nurture.
And then there are those of us who are perpetually in a gray area. A sort of (uh, what?) place.
When I was physically transistioning from M to F I reached an in between area. It was an interesting headspace - being bits of both, and I could see why some people get stuck at that point (aside the lack of money to finish the job.)
for having figured out your gender & sex and having made it over the divide. I didn't know you'd done it.
My perpetual problem is not understanding people as anything but thinking (sometimes) monkeys, or myself as either M or F. (check trews) Still look F. Situation normal.
I had a lover in college who did that transition, she had problems with funds to finish the job, and parents. And one now who would, but (TMI).
I snarl fiercely for the right of anyone to be whatever gender they want and any sex they want.
Or maybe I'm just vague on the whole damned business. ^smile^ It's none o' mine. Umm, why do people care?
You have told me something deep and new. I thank you. Love, good luck and godspeed to ye.
Mutual fertility is a different contract -- and it might as easily be his fault as hers.
I'm not fertile any more either, for surgical reasons. And I was never terribly convincing as either a male or a female. I perfer to interact with other people as just a "person." Drives most folks nuts.
My sister had to be jumpstarted at eighteen. She has two kids. So you never know.
Sometime, for purely clinical reasons, I want the details. I did mention my interest in pathophysiology? It gets totally out of date so fast. Even out of date stuff barely keeps up with me.
This is so sick
Then there are Turner's Syndrome women born with no eggies or the wherewithal to produce them. Adolescence has to be induced. I don't remember how well it works.
There are men born with androgen insensitivity syndrome, which means they're XY but look like XX. They're just raised as female. I forget how well that works, too.
Then there are those born with ambiguous genitalia. Doctors pick a gender and assign at will.
And little slip-up during cicumcision. (cringe) Well, that gets you automatically transsexed. Or used to. I don't know what they do now.
I'm just remembering from a book I read 20+yrs ago.
My point is that these problems are nothing a newborn can have chosen, and if we're going to deny infertile people the right to marry when they find love, based purely on that, we're a truly sick culture. But I knew that already. Preach to choir. Rant concluded.
And then there's the judge's name. O Beowulf monsterlike.
Re: This is so sick
Yes I was going to add this ...
From what I've read/seen on tv, the doctors pick the gender for which they can most easily create the genitalia with (cosmetic) surgery, no matter what the DNA says. These kids' gender is totally out of their hands; they have no choice since their surgery is done as babies. From the show I saw, I could even imagine doctors could do this without telling the parents the full story.
In addition to infertile people, there are always people who plan not to have children.
wow
I had hoped to breed, a couple times. But I needed the right partner, and enough income to get us through if I had a hard pregnancy and had to stay still. Didn't happen by my deadline. I just cheer for my friends who are brave enough to have done it and produced offspring that are cool.
Having kids is scary if you think about it enough. You never know what's going to happen or what you're going to get. Glad my mom just did it, though. Different place, different time. ^shrug^
Re: This is so sick
Badly.
"As Nature Made Him" by John Colapinto relates the history of the child. They tried really really hard to indoctrinate the child into being female. It failed.
He's now living as a man and much happier.
Apparently, gender identity is more nature than nurture.
-m
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I sort of remembered also the circumcision slip-up boys having a hard time adjusting.
And then there are those of us who are perpetually in a gray area. A sort of (uh, what?) place.
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When I was physically transistioning from M to F I reached an in between area. It was an interesting headspace - being bits of both, and I could see why some people get stuck at that point (aside the lack of money to finish the job.)
-m
Congratulations
My perpetual problem is not understanding people as anything but thinking (sometimes) monkeys, or myself as either M or F. (check trews) Still look F. Situation normal.
I had a lover in college who did that transition, she had problems with funds to finish the job, and parents. And one now who would, but (TMI).
I snarl fiercely for the right of anyone to be whatever gender they want and any sex they want.
Or maybe I'm just vague on the whole damned business. ^smile^ It's none o' mine. Umm, why do people care?
You have told me something deep and new. I thank you. Love, good luck and godspeed to ye.
Re: This is so sick
I'm not fertile any more either, for surgical reasons. And I was never terribly convincing as either a male or a female. I perfer to interact with other people as just a "person." Drives most folks nuts.
My sister had to be jumpstarted at eighteen. She has two kids. So you never know.
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