I didn't sleep enough Tuesday night; felt not quite right all Wednesday; realized in the evening that although I could probably have coped with rehearsal, I was not up to the drive, so I called in sick; had been unable to sleep despite being can't-concentrate tired, so I made a "tryptophan bomb"; still failed to sleep (the tryptophan helped make me feel sleepy instead of just tired, but not enough -- I probably shouldn't have tried to save calories by skimping on the size) and was too out-of-it to do much more than post a few comments and note a bunch of things to get around to commenting on when I'm more awake; finally felt drowsy enough to try sleeping again; nearly nodded off, and was suddenly awake again ...
So I picked up the guitar next to me in the bed (yes, I sleep with a guitar, most nights ... sometimes other instruments, and right now there's a mandolin in the bed as well ... this is what they're in bed for) and started noodling, thinking that at best it would relax me and at worst at least I'd get some practice in and be distracted from how frustrated I was about not sleeping.
About twenty years ago, I wrote a rude bass line. It's something I wrote specifically to be rude; it's deliberately difficult for other people to work on top of -- the idea is to make them laugh and say, "wiseass" -- (but I keep thinking something really cool would come out if anyone ever meets the challenge, and maybe someday I'll get around to making a machine play it for me so I can try soloing over it myself). It's mostly in 5/4 time, but every few measures it drops a beat. When it finally wraps around to the beginning, it's out of phase with itself. I started playing that a few minutes ago, and then thought, "What would happen if I made a polite version of this, in some time signature that's easier for other people?" So I lengthened and shortened notes and made it swing a little, and quickly found a version that felt sane and normal-ish.
I counted out what I'd just come up with. It's in 12/8.<.p>
And on realizing that, suddenly I was awake enough again to get up and post this. Whoops.
Hardly the most obscure time signature out there, but just uncommon enough that once I write it down I know somebody's going to look at it and go, "Urk?!" for a moment. But now I'm dying to find out whether other people will find it feels as natural to play as it does to me, despite the time signature.
Anyhow, I'm reminded of the first time I played in 5/4. Ray, my second roommate, the paranoid one, was teaching me some stuff on guitar (which I was still a beginner at, at the time), and he decided he wanted to have me play a simple chord progression so that he could solo over it. But I kept screwing up the beat. I couldn't keep it straight in 4/4, so over and over again I fell into 5/4 by accident. This drove him nuts for two reasons; first because I couldn't keep it together in 4/4, and second because in his worldview no human[*] should find 5/4 more natural than 4/4. A few days later when he saw me walking while playing in 5/4, that bothered him even more. "How are you able to do that?!" (I dunno, if you think in pairs of measures, it becomes a ten-count, and that's an even number like the number of legs I've got, so it works out, eh?) I did eventually outgrow my problem with 4/4, and nowadays the time signatures everyone else is familiar with are the ones my hands most often fall into by default (uh ... assuming "everyone" includes enough Celtic musicians for slip-jigs to be in the set "everyone else is familiar with") but oddball beats still slither out of my brain from time to time.
[*] No, he wasn't completely convinced that I was one, but the idea still bothered him.
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Lately I'm having trouble wrapping my head around 3/2 - or anything/2 for that matter. My brain just doesn't want to think of a half note having one beat. I usually end up doubling the count in my head to get to the quarter notes that I'm used to...
One of the coolest things I ever heard was a percussion-heavy piece whose dominant meter was 11/16. That thing blew your hair back.
~j
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As for half notes as the counting unit, isn't that basically what happens in cut time? That is, it's written out as though it were in 4/4, but played and counted as though it were in 2/2.
Other than cut time, most of the n/2 that I see (3/2, 4/2, and 6/2 are all I recall seeing off the top of my head) is in early music (where they're likely added by a modern editor -- if you have no bar lines, I'm guessing you also don't have a time signature), but 3/2 also shows up in English Country Dance. I've seen "Hole in the Wall" transcribed in 3/2, 3/4, and 3/8, and I actually find it easiest to read in 3/8 or 3/2 (when I run across an arrangement that has some harmony parts I don't already have etched in my brain). And "Mr. Isaac's Maggot" has this tension between on-beat and bouncy where thinking in half-notes really feels right. But until I'd run through a couple of ... basse dances, I think, but I'd have to go look them up ... a bunch of times, I had the same problem you described convincing/reminding myself that a half note was one beat when I ran into 4/2 and 6/2. (Even now, I have to stare at it and think "halfnotehalfnotehalfnotehalfnote" to try to set all the switches in my brain before starting to read an unfamiliar piece, but it does make it easier to get the feel of the piece right if I'm actually counting halves instead of doubling the beat in my head to count quarters.)
Hmm. I'm going to have to take notes on my mental processes the next time I pick up a piece of music in n/2.
I can think of a few people I hope chime in on this thread ...
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You can hear a brief sample of my quartet singing that arrangement of What Child Is This? here. (Scroll all the way down.) (The only other clip on that page where my quartet sings in its original configuration is on Go Tell It On The Mountain. I make no claims on the quality of those other quartets ;) )
~j
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No way. Time signatures predate barlines by a lot.
BTW, once upon a time, what we now call a whole note was a beat. That's why we we call 'em "whole notes".
While some 16th c. music was essentially noted with the half-note-equiv having the beat, an awful lot of period music, when transcribed into modern notation by modern (recent) editors, is halved: those 6/2 pieces were originally 6/1.
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*my* favorite time signature thingie is "Deck the Halls" in 7/8. It sounds like a waltz for someone with one leg longer than the other.
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Your description of that verison of "Deck the Halls" (which I want to hear) reminds me of a set we've been doing in The Homespun Ceilidh Band -- the first tune is a jig, the second is a slip jig, and the third is sortakinda 27/8 (two measures of 6/8, a measure of 3/8, two more measures of 6/8, repeat). It's like a jig for someone with a strange number of legs.
Deck 7/8!!!
~j
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When I finally stopped reading in bed, I found I sleep better. Of course there was a transition period, a week or two, if I recall. Now, if I am unable to sleep, I move over to the comfy chair and read there.
As far as rhythm is concerned, the Western music traditions are a bit ... unadventurous. In some other traditions, 7/4 is the starting point for more interesting rhythms to build on.
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This morning, playing guitar was supposed to be just noodling and playing myself to sleep; the intellectual part sort of happened by accident (and is the reason for the "and suddenly I'm awake" -- I was making steady progress in the direction of sleep until I noticed it was in 12/8).
I've wondered whether having a recliner near the computer would be a good thing (or just having a recliner at all) -- the idea is that I'd find a comfortable-enough position to sit and read (electrons or dead trees, either way), and when I find myself nodding off, just tilt it the rest of the way back and close my eyes.
"the Western music traditions are a bit ... unadventurous"
*nod* We've got some cool stuff in that regard, but it's considered non-mainstream or just unusual mainstream (e.g. "Money" by PInk Floyd, which is in seven, and the original Mission: Impossible theme, in five). But even those are unadventurous compared to, say, a Turkish 9/8 counted 2+2+2+3. (OTOH, there's the score to Pippin, which is pretty trippy in places -- but hey, the exception that tests the rule.) We do have folks deliberately blending African or Eastern rythms into Western ideas, but I'm not sure whether they're thought of as extending Western music or standing betwen Western and Other. I'm also not sure what's state-of-the-art in jazz these days. (When I do hear jazz on the radio it's dumbed-down, easy-listening jazz, and I get bored very quickly. Modern jazz isn't my first choice of genre, but I would like to have non-"llite" modern jazz among my listening options.)
Hmm. Does klezmer count as Eastern, Western, or its own category?
Fortunately there's still a lot of room for music to be interesting even within the confines of the most common Western time signatures.
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And, indeed, rhythm and meter is not the only criterion for music to be interesting. For instance, when papa Bach pushes his tonal machinery in motion, the result is captivating. Mozart, though unforgiving for the performer. And so on and so forth.
Not to mention the untold unnamed musicians, whose work lives on in the traditional music styles, such as Celtics. Here I have often felt that whereas someone else might give the rhythm line to another instrument and let the lead carry a melody, at least the Irish tradition seems to have the an union of the rhythm and the melody.
Klezmer
In my copy of The Compleat Klezmer (Sapoznik/Solokow), some of the arrangements at the back are in common metre, but they have things in them that look sortakinda like "stretch triplets" -- they're sex- and septuplets. I can't even start to hear something like that in my head, and my software won't cope with it. Which is why...
I'm bringing the book to Pennsic next year. You can look at it there, and see if there's anything you like. I'll photocopy some stuff for you, but I'm not lending it, sorry. (I'm gonna get you a copy of Nakht in Gan Eydn just because I like it so much, though!)
Five to something.....Or why am I still awake?
As for the bed issues......for me the fibro has meant expanding the role of the bed at times (wish I could right now!) I know all about that behavioral concept but with the fibro the bed HAS to be for wakeful resting as well as sleeping so I can't do nothing but sleep while I'm in it. It would be nice if I could......
I've has polysomnography and, of course, I'm abnormal (like I needed a test!!!) Have you gone in for one of these?
Thanks for the John memories again. That all make me laugh -- I can *SO* picture all of it, especially him not being convinced that you were human. You should have told him you were passing.
*Snerk*
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i love playing guitar just before I go to bed as it relaxes me, but I think I'd just be tempted to stay awake and noodle if it were there all the time; mind you with the fibro thing its good to see you've stuff to keep yourself occupied close at hand, Forest tends to get up again and then gets too distracted.
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And one of my favorite pieces in Jr High band had every fifth measure in 5. :)
BTW, did you know there's a (common) interpretation of "Maravillosos" (13th c.) which has the refrain in 5?
I don't think of 12/8 as even vaguely exotic; but then, I was raised in classical piano, and I gather it's more common there.