Don't mind me, I'm just annoyed and coping with that by venting (though I did actually mail this).
From dglenn Mon Apr 12 20:30:24 2004
To: [person who sent out a notice to a long list w/o using Bcc:]
Subject: Re: [aforementioned notice]Please tell me you did not *intentionally* send a 137K message to people (like myself) on slow dialup connections.
Please tell me you did not *intentionally* include binary attachments on a message sent to a mailing list.
Please tell me you did not *intentionally* do both of the above to convey a *two* *line* *message*.
Please tell me you did not *intentionally* send a pile o' HTML and _images_ to a list where you do not know that every reader is using a MIME-and-HTML-capable mail reader. (Hint: at least one reader is using a mail program that does not display HTML, and reading mail over a text (telnet) connection.)
I hope there was no important information in those images, 'cause I'm not going to switch to a different mail program to unpack them then switch to a different type of program entirely (a web browser or a paint program) to look at them.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do this. That was, for multiple reasons, the _wrong_ way.
Looking at your headers, it appears you used a web browser to send the message. I'm hoping that your fingers merely slipped, causing the message you meant to send as brief text with a _pointer_ (URL) to a page with the pretty formatting and pictures on it, to be sent as a painfully large and pointless collection of binary attachements by accident. (And I'll try very hard to remind myself that you didn't ask my opinion of using web browsers to send mail.)
The actual plaintext message was so short that it became easy to overlook next to the badly-formatted HTML that came after it and used more space, so I didn't even realize there was a _legible_ copy of those two lines until the second time I looked at the message. And the HTML copy has enough extraneous stuff in it that I didn't see the meat of the message in it at a glance. Assuming your goal is to get your message _read_ by people, this is *counterproductive*.
And sending me a hundred-and-thirty-[expletive]ing-seven K-byte message to say two [expletive]ing lines is [expletive]ing annoying. It's downright _rude_.
DON'T DO THAT.
If this was a slip of the fingers, say so and I'll go "harpumph" quietly to myself about this elsewhere. If it was due to ignorance, I hope that I've educated you as to why it was bad. And if you need assistance figuring out how to get word out _cleanly_, I'm willing to volunteer some of my time to show you, as a gesture of support for [organization].
-- Glenn
I figured the Bcc: issue can be dealt with another time, perhaps as part of the followup "how to send polite mail" tutorial if he takes me up on that.
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In completely unrelated news, whatchadoin Friday night?
"Whaddaya mean, you don't have broadband?!" Heh, yeah.
Re: "Whaddaya mean, you don't have broadband?!" Heh, yeah.
"Funny how a lot of these tech types love to try to tell you how you should spend your money"
I usually respond to that tone with, "Oh, you're offering to buy me an upgrade then? How sweet of you!" (Except that the last person to snark at my complaints of being limited by ancient hardware went on to buy me a faster computer in the next paragraph, before I had a chance to get snarky back, and I elected to graciously and gratefully accept instead.)
The group associated with the person who sent out the mail I complained about in this entry is a local association of performing artists, so the should understand the concept of "starving artist", I hope.
Re: "Whaddaya mean, you don't have broadband?!" Heh, yeah.
Re: "Whaddaya mean, you don't have broadband?!" Heh, yeah.
I've got no idea how recent competitors to the RBOCs price ISDN.
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As for Friday, I think all I've got scheduled is getting ready for Saturday's gig at MTT; I'll check when I remember where I put my calendar (it can't have gotten far, for I saw it last night and it doesn't move very quickly).
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I saw before I opened it that the thing was around 150 K, and was not amused.*
Then I opened the 4 line message and was indeed relaxed by the truly lovely background scene of blue sky and turquoise water and small sandy islands with palm trees and chaise lounges.
And I must say that the waving smiley face by the "Hi, [Val]" and the smiley face with the turban and the crystal ball showing a question mark illustrating the gentleman's confusion did bring a smile to my face.
So here I was on the one hand tikked about the size of a message bearing little more than a "thanks for your message but I'm still a little confused by this bit here" but on the other hand I had an undeniably pleasant moment actually looking at his mail.
I decided to leave my editorial comments to the fact that I replied in plaintext.
*Note that this isn't a dialup thing but an always near my mailbox size limit thing.
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I just noticed that my email allows me to send out email 5 MEGS in size. Yeesh!
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(Employer wanted me to create a rather large PDF and preferred email as the method of delivery. Tied up my modem a good long time sending it.)
I've also gotten expected email that had a reason to be 1.5 MB; if I'm warned it's coming, it's something I want or need, and there's a good reason for it to be that large, it's not a problem. I can make sure I've got enough room left under my disk quota, and download it soon after it arrives. But there has to be a good reason it's sent as attachments instead of just pointers to a web site.
"Most of the HTML mail I get is spam."
Same here, but I also occasionally get HTML mail from relatives, and I've got at least two friends using webmail services that do not appear to be capable of sending plaintext messages. *sigh*
I probably ought to whitelist those two and write a filter rule that bounces any other HTML with a snark-o-gram. (No, no, on second thought that would tell spammers the address is valid, wouldn't it?)
I guess I'm spoiled now
When I was living on $975/month not including gas and food, (1995-6) internet wasn't even in question. Email? Ha. What does ISDN mean? Why hasn't anyone put out a reference book on this? Or why(ne), if it's been done, hasn't anyone told me?
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Each letter I type takes up a byte. Pictures take up far more space. If you look on your hard drive you can see the sizes of documents and pictures.
Abbreviations
Re: I guess I'm spoiled now
"Each letter I type takes up a byte."
Careful -- Unicode screws with that explanation. (Each letter in English takes up one byte. Once you start mixing alphabets, some characters take up more than one byte.)
Historical usage, where bytes were different sizes on different machines, can remain a footnote for now. :-)
Re: I guess I'm spoiled now
ISDN: Google is your friend -- search on "define:ISDN"
ISDN is a public global network capable of transmitting voice, data and images at speeds up to 2 Mbit/s. The digital technique can transport more signals on the same telephone line than the traditional analogue technique and enables a range of new services.
www.tst.dk/uk/publications/status2000eng/html_annex/bile.htm
Integrated Services Digital Network. A digital phone service capable of speeds from 57.6 K to 128 K. Provides two data channels, each with its own phone number, making simultaneous voice and data possible.
www.56k.com/glossary.shtml
For comparison....
How do cable modems compare to ISDN, ADSL and satellite services?
ISDN (integrated services digital network), available through telephone lines, offers a maximum speed of 128 kbps -- a fraction of the bandwidth available through a cable modem connection. ADSL (asymmetric digital subscriber line) is a higher-speed alternative available over telephone lines, offering data rates of 1 mbps or more. That's comparable to a cable modem connection. Typically, however, ADSL services are more expensive than cable modem connections. Satellite services, such as DirecPC, offer up to 400-kbps download speeds, but require a dial-up modem for upstream communications, which is slow and cumbersome. (This info was from the cable-modem people at www.cable-modem.net.)
Or why(ne), if it's been done, hasn't anyone told me?
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- The same reason you'd use a blind-carbon-copy on paper correspendence,
- To hide addresses if you're not sure every recipient wants everyone else to have their address (or when CC'ing a private mailing list that shouldn't get followups or doesn't want the list address quoted and archived randomly around the net),
- When the list of recipients is so long that it takes up more than a screen or is longer than the message, and you don't want everyone to have to scroll through it to get to the text.
(I'm sure someone will suggest additional reasons, but those are the common ones.)(no subject)