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By now most of you will probably have already heard that our fine leader flipped an LJ'er the bird recently. For anyone who hadn't heard already: upon seeing a protest sign by the side of the road in East Lampeter, PA, bush gave the one-finger salute to the protesters, one of whom was [livejournal.com profile] jiveturky.

On a mailing list (yes, I asked permission to quote offlist), David Epstein wrote about this incident:

I could picture LBJ doing that--and I would have enjoyed it, coming from him.
 
Profane gestures and comments, in and of themselves, don't make my list of reasons for holding Bush and Cheney in thorough contempt. Of course, when they're combined with false piety, they do seem pretty damning.
I was going to make that a quote-of-the-day but wanted to do so while it was still fresh, and while I was deciding what to bump to the back of the queue I realized I had more to say about it.

Whether this is a) a Big Deal, b) stupid to bother talking about, c) just horribly amusing, d) disappointing, or e) whatever, I do think Bush made a mistake here. After the flack Cheney has gotten for saying, "fuck you" on the floor of the Senate, Bush had to have known that in our country's current mood this wouldn't go over terribly well -- at the very least (and most likely) that it would be a wedge for extensive public mocking by those who oppose him, and could possibly result in newspaper editorials about how much dignity we should expect of our President.

I think his mistake was that he thought a small handful of anonymous roadside protesters without any press with them didn't matter. But he forgot about the blogosphere.

I don't know how many LJ-friends [livejournal.com profile] jiveturky had on 8 July -- as I write this the number is 66. Sixty six readers sounds like a pretty unimportant person media-wise, doesn't it? But in the time since I saw that entry and decided I wanted to comment on it, and the time I got around to doing so, I've seen several -- between a half dozen and a dozen -- friends of mine post pointers to it already, and the comments on that entry run to eleven "pages". And it's been linked from at least one site that I get the impression is a "major blogging site", Metafilter (where PrinceValium remarked, "I haven't heard so many politicians tell me to go fuck myself since Joycelyn Elders was around"),so how many more people will see it there?

According to Livejournal Connect, I'm three LJ-friend-hops from [livejournal.com profile] jiveturky, and I'm guessing that my mentioning the story will propogate it to maybe a couple dozen people who hadn't seen it already, a few of whom will care enough about it (even if just from amusement) to propogate it elsewhere -- in their own journals, over coffee in their office, in email to their relatives, whatever. So it's already reaching far more than the original 66 readers plus my own 200 ... but the number of people seing it in the blogosphere isn't what makes it a mistake for Bush, for even if a few thousand of us read of it here, that's not a lot of people.

No, the thing of it is that "real" journalists -- by which I mean people with enough readers to actually matter -- read blogs too. [EDIT: As pointed out in a comment (thank you [livejournal.com profile] aliza250), some bloggers are journalists-taken-seriously and vice-versa. I grossly understated my case.] It's not like they go mining huge numbers of blogs looking for stories (well maybe), but some journalists read some blogs, and ifwhen a story gets to one of the blogs a mainstream journalist reads, there it is. So by flipping the bird in front of a blogger, Bush might as well have done it in front of a reporter's brother-in-law. If it doesn't get reported in The Washington Post and made fun of by Leno, O'Brian, and Letterman, it'll be because folks didn't think it was important enough or funny enough, not because "the press" weren't standing at that spot on the roadside. (So whether it turns out to be a big mistake or a wee mistake will depend on whether the big boys decide to run with it or not. But they'll have heard about it by now.)

I'm waiting for Leno to mention it, but I often miss The Tonight Show so I'll have to hope someone mentions it where I'll see it if Leno does use it.


Thinking about how [livejournal.com profile] jiveturky's story has rippled out got me thinking about my own journal. I've got roughly two hundred readers -- a few on my "friend-of" list are serial adders and a few probably don't have time to read all their friends every day, but I've also got some friends not on LJ who read my journal. Most of what I write neither deserves nor requires a larger audience than that (some doesn't even deserve that much, but I'm not complaining). But when I luck into something important, moving, or memorable, it'll get quoted or linked to, and even if the people five-contacts-removed don't wind up remembering my name (and if it's something I've found and linked to rather than something I've written, the folks two contacts away won't even see my name), the ideas have a chance to be heard by more than two hundred. It's not about "fame", it's about being heard. And with the rise of the blog, all our voices have gotten louder.

There are 8 comments on this entry. (Reply.)
 
posted by [identity profile] aliza250.livejournal.com at 08:24am on 2004-07-13
with the rise of the blog, all our voices have gotten louder

25 "major bloggers" have press credentials at the Democratic National Convention. The Republicans are preparing their own list.
 
posted by [identity profile] aliza250.livejournal.com at 08:25am on 2004-07-13
According to Livejournal Connect, I'm three LJ-friend-hopes from jiveturky,

I nominate that as typo of the week.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 08:46am on 2004-07-13
Embarrassing enough for me to go back and fix it; amusing enough to acknowledge here.
 
posted by [identity profile] aliza250.livejournal.com at 08:43am on 2004-07-13
The original story has 567 comments on it now, and presumably many more have read it and not commented. And...

"We will be talking with Al Franken on his radio show on Wednesday, July 14th at 1:30 PM. For those of you not in his market, you can catch streaming audio at airamericaradio.com. Thanks!"
- http://www.livejournal.com/users/jiveturky/185924.html

Yup, it's getting a wider audience...
 
posted by [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com at 09:01am on 2004-07-13
Before I finish reading this: His entry was [livejournal.com profile] metaquotes-ed, so probably a lot more than 60 people saw it.
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 09:59am on 2004-07-13
One thing about the incident is that Bush prolly wouldn't have bothered flipping the bird at JiveTurky and his friends if the slogan "More trees, less Bush" was one that he'd seen already. ^_^

As far as whether Bush made a large mistake, I don't think so. It is a little funny, which is why I cross posted it in my journal. I think it also shows that the Bushies are cracking a little bit under pressure. They have basically been under heavy seige for the last couple of months and the heat generated by Abu Ghraib was mostly the Bushies own fault. So I wouldn't vote against Bush just because he had a weak moment. OTOH I have endless reasons to put his hiney on the street, all based on policy (the four primaries IMHO being world population, energy, health care, and the movement to a machine economy).
 
posted by [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com at 10:07am on 2004-07-13
Somehow, I have no emotional interest in whether Bush flipped the bird at a protestor (Cheney just cursing at someone who asked a legitimate question is much more serious), but Bush was damned lucky that there wasn't a good photograph.
 
posted by [identity profile] aliza250.livejournal.com at 03:10pm on 2004-07-13
If it doesn't get reported in The Washington Post and made fun of by Leno, O'Brian, and Letterman, it'll be because folks didn't think it was important enough or funny enough, not because "the press" weren't standing at that spot on the roadside.

It made the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46316-2004Jul13.html (Which I pasted into http://www.livejournal.com/users/jiveturky/185924.html?thread=842820#t842820 )

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