...or are we raised that way? Never mistake human nature for human nurture. This culture most certainly encourages selfishness (we call it "capitalism" instead, and think it's a good thing), but I'm sure there are examples of cultures which don't.

To me, this line of argument is getting into the idea that human beings are just intrinsically bad (again), and I don't happen to believe that. I don't think it's possible to say that human beings are intrinsically bad, or intrinsically good. The same person who's capable of acts of great humanity and kindness may also be capable of acts of great depravity and selfishness, depending on the circumstances. Human beings aren't binary switches or cardboard cutouts! Actually, I'm not even sure I want to be so essentialist as to say that human beings are intrinsically much of anything, which most certainly conflicts with the Christian worldview.

Glenn, as to your quote, let me put it to you this way. Do you really want to belong to a religion (or worship a god -- any god in general, so no capital) that has so low an opinion of human beings as to class them all as "evil," even comparatively? What a waste of time.
 
:-) Well I didn't say I was planning to adopt Sparks' model; I've just been trying to figure out what it is that makes it seem not-right.

BTW, did I ever describe to you my understanding of original sin?

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