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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:25am on 2004-09-08

"Civilization took a wrong turn when a town was permitted to grow larger than 5000 inhabitants." -- [livejournal.com profile] juuro, 2004-03-25

(Note: The most recent Pennsic had what, eleven and a half thousand people?)

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posted by [identity profile] gkrikket.livejournal.com at 03:11am on 2004-09-08
Somewhere between 11,500 and 11,900 I believe...
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 04:58am on 2004-09-08
But we're temporary manifestations. We show up, police ourselves, spend money, and leave.

It's not the same as a real village. Similar vibe, just done hurriedly, maybe 'cause we can't get it at home. They accomodate us, but it's not he same as a real life. It just feels like it.

For what's worth the people who live around you that I've gotten comfortable with could be a real neighbourhood. You could make them a village. You need to teach your darling cat to walk on lead. Good opportunity for discussion, visiting, familiarity. People aren't going to be scared of a harnessed kitty. Just a thought. I need people to be wary of Jamie. Ha-ha. I'm more worried about them figuring out what a farce of an aggressive dog he is.

Their mode of interacting is a bit peculiar to me, but a lot of them are decent. Never mind where that silver chain for the cross came from.

Not all of them are undesperate and above, uh, bad shit. This we wot well.

The rats are scary. Both human and rodent. Make me glad to have only squirrels and a 'possum present at home. Well, one fox and a 'coon.

But you're the hub type.


Your cat is sleeping elongated on my windowsill. Before, she was sleeping at my thigh. I'm not surrendering the love happily. She keeps Mel and Jamie perky, if last night's antics were any indication.

So she's settled in very well. Mel is sitting guard, and Jamie's sogged out, but in the doorpath. That makes 3. Maybe a teriyaki sausage event.

I'm sleeping on my towel or bed until you turn up. Rest assured your beloved puss is content, though I think she may miss you sometimes, and we're all keeping her amused. I just won the stare-in. And She's a real string cat, huh?

I had to get up, and it's the right time of day, so everyone left, though Mel tried to cadge P's food. Oh, Jamie's back. Aminals are so odd and endlessly interesting.

I've known for a long time that I'm happier the smaller the populace. Spread us out. Room, encampment, or city. Sorry so long. If I could remember how to do it I would move it.
 
posted by [identity profile] merde.livejournal.com at 09:02am on 2004-09-08
blame modern medicine, without which some arbitrarily large percentage of us wouldn't have survived into adulthood to take up space and resources. the more lives we save, the more we overpopulate. the more we overpopulate, the farther we stray from any sort of real community. personally, i think medicine should focus more on quality of life for those who are capable (with treatment) of leading productive lives, rather than artificially extending the lives of those who will spend the rest of their existence in a hospital bed hooked up to tubes and monitors. but then, i might not say that if i were one of the people in the hospital beds...
 
Meh, I wouldn't be here without massive medical intervention, but I still think it would have been kind of a waste to flush me on those grounds. I'm not exactly unproductive, and anyway, since when did "productivity" become the chief metric for the worth of an individual? I can hear Thomas Carlyle screaming from beyond the grave now (and what he's screaming is "That's not what I meant!")...

Empirical evidence seems to suggest that the better people's standards of living are (to within fairly broad tolerances), the less inclined they are to have overly large families. Make sure everyone's got a roof and a full belly and basic medical attention every now and again, and you've gone a long way towards ameliorating the problem. Get rid of fundamentalist religion, and you've gone most of the way towards solving it.

Yeah, like that's going to happen, eh?
 
My very superficial readings would seem to indicate that large families are a rather recent phenomenon. They emerged in the 1800s when mechanised agriculture was producing considerable surplus. Earlier, the mortility kept the family size small despite the number of births.
 
i suspect you're defining 'productive' much more narrowly than i do. if you're able to communicate and add value to lives other than your own, i consider you productive.

i wouldn't have survived into adulthood without modern medicine. and i wouldn't be able to function in any useful way without modern medicine. part of me thinks that people like me are exactly what's wrong with the world -- allowed to survive to perpetuate bad genes (even though i choose not to). other times... well, that depends on whether i'm having a really bad day or not.
 
posted by [identity profile] wizwom.livejournal.com at 10:32pm on 2004-09-08
Um, Pennsic was much nicer before it got so big.
And I could say that about a number of other gatherings, too.

Yeah, 5000 is big enough to have lots of diversity, but small enough to be familiar with (if not freinds with) everyone.
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posted by [personal profile] jducoeur at 03:02pm on 2004-09-10
The most recent Pennsic had what, eleven and a half thousand people?

And now has crime, and bureaucracy, and pollution, and...

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