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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 03:49pm on 2004-11-18

/I/'/m/ /n/o/t/ /o/n/e/ /t/o/ /t/e/l/l/ /t/h/e/ /S/e/c/r/e/t/ /S/e/r/v/i/c/e/ /h/o/w/ /t/o/ /d/o/ /t/h/e/i/r/ /j/o/b/s/,/ /b/u/t/... Wait, let me start over.

I'll try to refrain from criticising people for simple caution in these troubled times, but ... No, I'll try again.

Let [livejournal.com profile] maugorn and others beware: singing old Bob Dylan songs now constitutes a potentially terrorist act. With all due respect to the Secret Service, last week, as in the case of the LiveJournal user who got a visit from the Secret Service last month, they came out in response to someone else's tip, said, "Hey, we have to investigate any time someone says there's been a threat," determined that no actual threat existed, and left. So my real complaint is against all the people who called the Secret Service in the first place. But fercryinoutloud people, there is so much wrong with this one.

First, I suppose this is a sign that we need to better educate people in the classics of our popular culture, lest they fail to recognize the work of an established performer just because it's a few decades old; or at least give people enough of an American History education to have a clue what protest songs in the 1960s were like. But the problem is deeper than a failure to recognize a Vietnam-era Bob Dylan song.

In both cases, the words in question amounted to a wish that harm would befall someone, either by an act of God or in a completely unspecified manner. There was no threat (as the Secret Service determined), nor was there even anything that could be construed as an attempt to incite others to act on the speaker's behalf. In the case of "Masters of War", the proposed victim is not even clearly specified -- listeners inferred that it was supposed to mean the president. (In fact, in light of the first verse and the title, the "you" specified in the final verse could well be plural.) I compared Republicans to Chicken Little in my last entry, but perhaps these "concerned citizens" are more deserving of that title.

Or is this part of a larger plot? Are various agents of a conspiracy deliberately wasting the Secret Service's time by "informing" on such irrelevant tidbits to consume resources so that an actual assassination plot can sneak through, masked by the "noise" of the bogus tips? Naaah, it's probably just idiots making extra work for the Secret Service -- either out of well-intentioned diligence marked by abysmally poor reading comprehension; or deliberately using the intimidation factor of an official investigation to pester anyone whose views they disapprove of, with callous disregard for the fact that they're wasting the time of agents with real jobs to do.


It is clear from recent events that if I were to write simply that I wished Bush would drop dead, there is a significant chance that one of my readers would feel the need to inform the Secret Service, even if I were to restrict my wish to his death being caused by didease, accident, or act of God. But what if I were to go further and make that restriction explicit by saying, "but it can't be an assassination, because that would make him a martyr to many people," would someone still report me for "wishing the death of the president"? Would the Secret Service need to come to my house to find out what I'd said (even though the full text would be online)? If I were to examine the probable repercussions of Bush's death and conclude that as much as I wish him out of office, his death in office would be worse than his completing a second term, would someone report me for thinking about the premature death of the president? After all, if a complaint is made, the Secret Service has to investigate to find out whether the threat is credible..."

If the very making of those statements is hypothetical -- if, as above, I merely ask "what if I had posted such sentiments" -- do I have to worry about there being someone with such a poor grasp of language that they will fail to understand the context and the hypothetical nature of the questions? Can I even write about this subject at all without budgeting some time for answering questions from Secret Service agents? Do we need to include a disclaimer on any such message, saying, "The author does not actually wish to harm, incite others to harm, or pray for any deity or supernatural entity to harm, the president of the United States of America"? Would a disclaimer help, or will a malicious troublemaker just snip off that bit when forwarding the message to the authorities?

Hey, can I give someone I don't like a scare and a bad day by falsely reporting to the Secret Service that they made a threat against the president in a LiveJournal entry but then deleted it? (No, I am not going to perform that experiment.)

[livejournal.com profile] theferrett pointed out the awkward position Secret Service agents are in with regard to these sorts of tips, and the futility of Monday-morning quarterbacking to try to tell them what they should have done. But some of this stuff is just stupid. Maybe the agency has to follow the policies and procedures it's got, but we the public need to be less stupid about wasting their time.

<action description="put on tinfoil hat"> Or maybe the government wants us to be that way, reporting any incidence of "incorrect speech" so that dissidents can be catalogued and investigations can be justified willy-nilly on the grounds that "we have to check these things out when there's been a complaint", and these examples are merely side effects of that? <action description="remove tinfoil hat"> <action description="put on 'cynic' hat"> Nah. That'd be too clever and demonstrate too much long-term thinking.

Or maybe we should all take turns posting the lyrics to "Masters of War" in our journals and see who wins the "visit from the Secret Service" lottery each week, until the Secret Service decides to investigate people who file malicious or patently silly compaints instead.

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posted by [identity profile] faireraven.livejournal.com at 01:38pm on 2004-11-18
Yup. Once more, I don't object to the fact that the secret service paid them a visit, because once they are notified, they MUST follow up to determine for themselves if it was a harmless statement or if it was a true threat.

I DO object to this country getting either so gawdamnned paranoid or hatefully malicious that they feel that someone saying something like this should be investigated by the SS.

The first one with anniesj might have been debatable. But for gossake, these kids were singing a 40 year old dylan song in a talent show... it's called expressing an opinion, and reaching into the same sentiments of the past in order to get your point across.

I have no beef with the SS doing what their job requires. I have a real problem with the kinds of people who waste their time with this.
 
posted by [identity profile] pickledginger.livejournal.com at 04:44pm on 2004-11-18
They must follow up. They are not required, however, to go make house calls. I think looking up the bloody lyrics, talking to the principal, and noting that it's just a school talent show ought to have more than sufficed.
 
posted by [identity profile] kara-h.livejournal.com at 06:43am on 2004-11-19
While I personally do not think words are not a good indicator of actions, that is the assumption security organizations operate under. I am a bit perplexed as to why you would say 'it was just a ...' though.

The Secret Service takes action against what is perceived to be a POTENTIAL threat, not a PROBABLE one. For example, a little old lady who idolizes whoever they are protecting but has a can of mace in her purse is seen as a threat if she wants to greet her idol with said purse in her possesion. Not because she would use it, but because she could. Even if she did not use it herself, someone not of her dispossition could steal it and use it.
 
So they should arrest everyone who opposes Dubya's policies and send them off to internment camps, just in case? Along with everyone who owns a weapon, and everyone who's ever sung a protest song? There does have to be a limit.
 
posted by [identity profile] kara-h.livejournal.com at 12:30pm on 2004-11-21
The fact is, if they had their way they would. The way that security mentality looks at things, limits do not apply.

I realize it does sound extreme, but I am stating the facts of how things work, not saying how they SHOULD work.
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posted by [personal profile] twistedchick at 01:43pm on 2004-11-18
Why is it that this reminds me so much of the bar patrons who called the cops during Darkovercon, several years running, to complain about noise from the 300 or so of us who, for five minutes only, were singing 'The Halleluia Chorus' around the swimming pool, and then going away and going about our business?
 
posted by [identity profile] lpetrazickis.livejournal.com at 02:07pm on 2004-11-18
Heh. I spent a week or two using each line from the last verse of that song as a journal title.:)
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 03:39pm on 2004-11-18
Glenn, are you feeling OK? I mean, I'm distinclty not, and even in my befuddled state, I noticed three different typos. Things that I would more normally expect of myself.

without budeting some time

follow the plicies and procedures it's got

willy-nilly on te grounds that
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 03:47pm on 2004-11-18
a) I am tired. So though I'm feeling well enough to be alert and writing, I'm not feeling great.

b) All three of those are missing-letter typos, which I tend to do much more often when my fingers are cold.

But yeah, I try not to let mistakes like that get out. Thanks. I'll go fix those now.
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 06:30pm on 2004-11-18
My head is forlornly in my hands. I was born in what I thought was a democracy. Ya know, "Land of the free, home of the brave?" It's all crap now. If any of it ever was true. Only the rich rule the U.S. And the nasty liars.

I realise I'm tempting a visit from the SS. I'm as dangerous as a kitty or puppy. Must be the stomach problems and headaches. And don't underestimate kitties. In terms of doing what they have to do, in marked parameters.

I am disheartened.
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 02:43am on 2004-11-19
I keep my head down. But I must point out who would be president If the current one were taken out. I believe we'd have to pray for at least three people to drop before freedom or anarchy might ensue.

I'm so scared of my own government that I wish I had the ability to become a red-eared slider turtle at will. This is NOT a good sign. Maybe a mud turtle. Unfortunately, there are no clean ponds here.

When I was living just off the NW branch of the Anacostia, I met a box turtle, took it home just long enough to identify it, and put it back in a safer spot. But box turtles are conspicuous. I think I'll stick with red-eared slider.
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 01:16pm on 2004-11-19
Red-Eared Sliders are an intorduced pest species in Maryland. They've been establishing populations that have taken away food and space resources from native species.

Kind of like what the Europeans did to the native populations of humans around here.
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 03:29pm on 2004-11-19
No one ever told me that. Even books. Thank you. I'm glad to know. But I am a pest species of a sort. I don't endanger others by my existence until crossed, though.

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