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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 01:50pm on 2004-12-03

Thoughts on watching the noon news on the telly

1) That piece about how there is "a deeper divide in our country than that between Democrats and Republicans" and drawing all sorts of Great Significance from the decision whether to put up a real or artificial Christmas tree ... look, that would've been pretty cool on Saturday Night Live or in The Onion, or even if they'd pushed it the tiny bit farther to make it obvious it was a joke, but as it was it just pissed me off. It sounded as though the reporter actually believed that people who put up artificial trees are ANTI-TRADITION, for example ('Scuse me? Wouldn't anti-traditionalist Christians just not put up any tree at all?), or that nobody decides year by year which type of tree to use. Either that the reporter (and apparently the editors/producers) believe these things, or that they believe they can "sell" the story so as to make their audience believe that the Eternal Struggle Between Tree Growers And Tree Manufacturers is a bigger deal than the issues that actually affect how we vote.

I'll cut them some slack for conveniently forgetting that not all Americans celebrate Christmas. First off, it was a Christmas story specifically, and secondly, between the Christians, the apathists and agnostics who follow our traditions lemminglike without thinking about them, the agnostics and atheists who play along consciously because it's the dominant cultural meme and deliberately ignore the religious aspects, and the capitalists who stand to make money by keeping Christmas as big a deal as possible, it's a good bet that an overwhelming majority of their audience identifies with some aspect of the story.

But it smells like a conspiracy to me. No, not a Federal "please air stories that distract your audience from the real issues they might otherwise protest, write letters, or vote about" conspiracy, as tempting as it is to cast it in such a light. More likely the local "This tree-farmer (or tree-merchant) I drink with occasionally was complaining about the popularity of artificial trees, and asked me to do a story that plays up the Traditional, Wholesome, Values-Oriented, Did I Mention Wholesome memes on behalf of real trees" conspiracy. Oh, but it's probably simpler than that. It's probably a "make this molehill big enough to hold someone's attention long enough to get to the commercial" thing.

2) Wow, yeah, I can see what that ... uh, one of the groups with "family" in their name as a euphemism for something else ... group wants people to boycott Target. I mean hey, if they're singling out the Salvation Army to kick the bell-ringers away from their stores, why that's mean and unfair and anti... Oh, what? They're not singling out the Salvation Army? They're just telling them they now have to play by the same rules as everyone else after having gotten special treatment before? The company says, "because it would be unfair to other charitable organizations" to give special treatment to the Salvation Army? How ... blatantly ... uh ... un-unfair?

Note, of course, that in light of the stunning quality journalism in the tree story, I'm not actually counting on the television news to be giving me more than 10% of the story here, so there may be important details I'm missing, but that's the impression I've gotten so far. Anyone else have information to change that impression?

Thoughts on the much-discussed "erototoxin" BS

"Pornography really does, unlike other addictions, biologically cause direct release of the most perfect addictive substance" (opioids naturally produced by the brain -- in fact, the ranter quoted use the phrase "naturally occurring" later in the quote).

*ahem* So does dessert.

This, if nothing else, demonstrates that intentionally or otherwise, these people are Anti-Pleasure, not even limited to being anti-sex, much less confined to anti-porn. Do something your body likes, you get endorphins. Do something your body needs to protect you from the pain of, you get endorphins. What is a "runner's high"? What endorphins are released during masturbation (the <<shudder>> great evil that results from porn) that are not released during sex in the dark in the missionary position with one's lawfully wedded spouse? <snark> Uh, assuming either partner is any good at it... </snark>

Logically, if they're going to justify an anti-porn position on the basis that it leads to the release of endorphins, then they need to ban soccer. And comedy. And dessert.

Many years ago I was thinking about the differences between "drug use" and "drug abuse", and what the phrase "recreational drugs" meant, especially since many abused drugs are also used medically. And I was struck with the realization that it basically comes down to this: a recreational drug is a substance which, when taken into the body, produces pleasurable changes in brain chemistry, and is being taken for that reason and not for medicinal purposes.

Now pretty much anything we enjoy will produce some pleasurable changes in brain chemistry. But dinner is not a recreational drug because the pleasure can be construed as a side-effect if you consider the primary intent of dinner to be nourishment and therefore a medical purpose[*]. Dessert, on the other hand, is the "just for fun" -- i.e., just for the pleasure -- after-dinner dish, and is quite often not even good for you medically at all. So dessert is a substance taken into the body for the explicit purpose of producing pleasurable changes in brain chemistry, not for medicinal purposes.

Ergo, dessert is a recreational drug.

Obviously, not all recreational drugs are intrinsically Bad Things, though all are subject to possible abuse and some are more dangerous (in different ways) than others. And obviously, some substances jump between the medicinal drug and recreational drug categories depending on the intent of the user. When I take chocolate for its medicinal effects, the pleasant taste is a side effect. When I eat good chocolate and savor it, any medicinal effects are the side effects and the intended effect is recreational.

(Note that this is an academic argument -- when discussing the essential nature of recreational drugs, dessert is a drug. When questioned by a doctor or a potential employer about drugs, I mention chocolate because I use so much of it, but I don't bother to list cheesecake and apple pie because I don't have a pie habit. Though I'm starting to wonder whether I should list capsaicin as well.)

But I digress. Today's point is that the "OhmyGodpornleadstomasturbationwhichleadstoENDORPHINS" horror reveals that these people are at their core anti-pleasure and/or [expletive]ing ignorant. If I had to put money on it, I'd bet on "both". Call 'em on it. Point out that by their logic they have to ban jogging. And singing hymns in large groups. And Tex-Mex food. And apple pie.

Then there's this whole "pornographic images stay in the brain forever" thing ... that's the nature of memes in general. You can change your mind, but it's pretty damned hard to unthink an idea, to unimagine something, or to unhear a statement. But I think I'll save the rest of that train of thought for a separate rant, later.

[*] Yes, I'm oversimplifying hugely by pretending for the sake of argument that dinner is nothing more than a refueling stop. The point is that one can argue that dinner is medically neccesary and ignore the spiritual and psychological benefits of enjoying a good meal and bonding with friends and family around the table. Dinner can be completely medicinal in intent even if in an ideal world it ought not to be. (Dessert, by its nature, doesn't get that excuse in an anti-pleasure analysis.) Part of the problem we have in addressing certain types of issues is that we tend to draw false dichotomies and pile things on one side or another of some imagined and arbitrary line, then try to make judgements or pass laws based on "this side good, that side evil". I hope that my portrayal of dinner as medically utilitarian, and the expected reaction of "but a good meal should be more than that!" will, in addition to helping define "recreational drugs", also encourage people to see past "if it's this then it can't be that" thinking that we so often fail to question. One must eat, but if one chooses to go out for fine food with good friends instead of downing a can of Slim-Fast, does that make dinner purely recreational, or is it recreational in addition to being medical?

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posted by [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com at 11:01am on 2004-12-03
"So does dessert."

Or exercise.

Going back to read more now... yup, you mention runner's high.

At this point in time I can't decide whether I find the ignorance explanation or the anti-happiness (I won't even call it anti-pleasure) explanation worse. They are both irritating to the max...
 
posted by [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com at 11:02am on 2004-12-03
Oh, and heading over to [livejournal.com profile] metaquotes to quote this. Hope you don't mind---I think it needs to be read more widely.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:10am on 2004-12-03
Thanks.
 
posted by [identity profile] sjo.livejournal.com at 11:52am on 2004-12-03
Great minds! I was thinking the same thing: "Look, you stoopid anti-sex people, exercise stimulates endorphins too. Should we stop exercising?"
 
posted by [identity profile] faireraven.livejournal.com at 12:56pm on 2004-12-03
Personally, I think these people are anti-pleasure. You know, the same kinds who would stop dancing because it leads to other things like kissing... Oh. The horror.

Damn. dglenn, now you have me jonesing for a cherry garcia... and then going out to dance to get rid of it AND have those oh-so-horrible endorphins...
 
posted by [identity profile] sjo.livejournal.com at 01:36pm on 2004-12-03
And people wonder why I dance until I am sweaty and exhausted. Silly people.
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 11:26am on 2004-12-03
The argument can be made that people who use artificial xmas trees are just going through the motions, particularly if the tree is one of those that have the built in lites. I find the whole argument amusing cuz the employment of xmas trees is actually a pagan ritual that has had the serial number filed off.

For my money a drug is a chemical that is introduced from outside the body that mimics or alters the function of a naturally occuring chemical inside the body. I suppose you could say that endorphines mimic themselves, but this is a silly argument. I note that the ranter's argument is basically one that tries to make the war on pornography an extension of the war on drugs which I don't believe in either.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 08:28pm on 2004-12-05
"pagan ritual that has had the serial number filed off"

Barely that. More like "has the brand name covered with a piece of electrical tape".

I can see the argument about the pre-decorated ones, because it sidesteps the ritual of putting on the ornaments, which is a meditative and/or bonding exercise for some people. But it's still a decision to decorate using traditional symbols of the holiday, so as distasteful as the thought of a tree with built in lights is, I can't call it anti-traditional.

For several years my family used an artificial tree. The act of assembling the tree became its own ritual, it's own part of the Process of Getting The Holiday Season Started.

"the ranter's argument is basically one that tries to make the war on pornography an extension of the war on drugs"

*nod* Not because the War On Some Drugs has been a great success, but because the audience is already primed to flinch and say "oh that is evil badstuff" as a conditioned reflex when drugs-not-backed-by-lobbyist-rich industries are mentioned.

(Note that the word "drugs" in that context excludes alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, etc. Hence the need for the phrase "drugs and alcohol", when scientifically, alcohol would already be included in "drugs".)
 
posted by [identity profile] hugh-mannity.livejournal.com at 01:50pm on 2004-12-03
the employment of xmas trees is actually a pagan ritual that has had the serial number filed off
You, sir, came close to owing me a new laptop! That comment caused me to dump a large mouthful of water forcibly onto my poor abused 'puter. Thank all the gods it was only water and I was able to mop it up before any damage was done.

It's all a war on pleasure. It's an "I'm not having any fun so I don't think you should either" meanspirited attempt to control others' lives.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 08:35pm on 2004-12-05
I think some of them have had fun and it frightened them.

"Dark forces of Satan, the power of Christ compels you to stop making my penis feel all tingly ... Dark forces of Satan, the power of Christ compels you to stop ... " (http://www.ghastlycomic.com/d/20040606.html) (To raid my QotD queue -- that one's currently scheduled for late March.)
 
posted by [identity profile] chichiri-no-da.livejournal.com at 03:24pm on 2004-12-03
Here from metaquotes...

I just...don't get the whole thing between real trees and artificial trees. My whole life my family has had an artificial tree. And I fully intend to buy one as well, as soon as I have a need for one (i.e., so far, since I moved out, I haven't spent a single Christmas at home, and have in fact spent every single one at a parent's house or in-law's house, who HAS a tree).

The fact is, you only have to buy an artificial tree ONCE. They don't drop needles on the floor. You don't need to throw them away at the end of the season. And they still look beautiful on Christmas morning, with presents underneath and your family all around.

I'm not saying artificial trees are better than real ones. I'm just saying, it's a valid choice and has absolutely nothing to do with the traditional-ness of it. If tradition were so important, and it were wrong to ever come up with new ways of doing things, some of which replace OLD ways, we'd still be living in caves, wearing animal skins, and speaking in grunts.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 08:50pm on 2004-12-05
I agree that both choices are valid. And I understand various reasons why someone might significantly dislike either one ... But the news report really did start off with that line about it being a "deeper divide" in American society than our political divisons. Sheesh.

Anywho, I can list a bunch of reasons artificial trees are inferior to real ones ... or I could take your list and expand on it with additional reasons that they're better than real ones.

I think that there's tradition and then there's ritual. The tradition is to put up a tree and decorate it. Some family rituals may include the act of going out to select a tree, bring it home atop the car, etc., but even if you stick to folks who use live trees, each family has its own rituals about setting it up, decorating it, (what day it goes up, who hangs the first decorations, who chooses how decorations are placed, whether popcorn is required, whether tinsel is required, when the gifts start showing up under it, etc.) so it's obvious that there's no single precise ritual that is required in order to be observing this cultural tradition.
 
My mom has used plastic Christmas trees for one reason: they were cheaper than real ones. Wooo. It's like a crystal ball into our values.
 
Glenn, did you see my journal entry on *cough* "abstinence-only" curricula in the US? Apparently the hedonism-hating lobby is out in force these days. More safe, sane, and consensual sex, I say! More dessert! More runner's high and music that makes pretty colours with your synaesthesia; gymanfas and gymkhanas; more contradancing and contraception! More poetry and music and "degenerate" art! More late-night coding sessions and successful Linux installs and science experiments gone horribly right...and everything else that falls under someone, somewhere's definition of "fun."

Basically, I figure that the Radical Religious Right is sort of like your average movie critic: If they hate it, I'm probably going to love it, so sign me up.
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 12:33am on 2004-12-04
www.naked-preacher-lady.com

You might enjoy that if you haven't already seen it. It's good for a giggle, and you probably need one right now. Apparently, Jesus loves you *and* breast implants...
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 09:01pm on 2004-12-03
Wait 'til you see your Christmas present. I should be prosecuted as a drug supplier. I'm really dying to see whether it's good and you like it. You will have to share a little of it. Then we'll go shopping.

Jane has taken the skirt and beaded shirt back for now. The skirt moved pleasantly, and you would have looked lovely in that shirt. But I can't blame her for wanting them back. She looks like hot meat in them. I was astonished when she gave them to me in the first place. But my endorphins were waiting to see you in that shirt. I might have been overcome and fainted in coils. Or tried. My imagination is good.
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 09:38pm on 2004-12-03
Real vs artificial is an issue? Cripes. I own ornaments and lights but haven't pulled them out since I sold the jade tree. It was a difficult thing. But I'd kept it fetching. One can do a lot in 20 yrs. Bloomed lemon-scented every other year. 4' in diameter. Haven't decorated since. Urge only vague. My Christmas tree got too big; I was moving. So I sold it. I have offspring. They're not big, But they're not THAT ONE. I have plants the way some have lovers. Maybe in another 20 yrs., I'll get another like it.


Mom does plastic but irregular assembly. It looks good. Given how I do Christmas, eh.

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