posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 03:49pm on 2005-01-08
Purhaps.. I do think something should be done about baby adbandoment (exposer). But it is hardly a large enough scale to warrent monitoring of all pregnant women. What should be done it strong enforcement activity. Namely the police pursueing the matter in the fullest since to abandon a new born is a crime already under child indangerment and as such we don't need more laws to cover it just enforce the current laws.


Still it should this attempt should be monitored to ensure it's failure. Too often people let things slip because news stations don't think it is worthy of time.
 
posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com at 06:09pm on 2005-01-08
BTW, read the final link in dglenn's post - rep Cosgrove has responded...
 
posted by [identity profile] doubleplus.livejournal.com at 07:30pm on 2005-01-08
I think Cosgrove's claim that this was meant to address abandonment was purely an attempt to cover his ass after the outrage over this bill. As noted in the discussion over at DfV, Virginia actually does have laws designed to prevent abandonment (such as HB 1891, allowing mothers to relinquish custody of newborns without charges, which I believe has generally been found to be more effective than criminal penalties.) If Cosgrove really wanted to make those laws more effective, he would have worked for better social services instead.
 
posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 08:22pm on 2005-01-08
I have not denied that Cosgrove is tring to cover his ass. Nor am I for the bill since it is just plan stupid. As for child abandonment. What ever works I am all for it. If they want to give the child up for adoption at a police station I have to problem with it (or a church or any other place where the child can quickly and safely change hands). But if the parent refuses to do this and leave the child in a trachs can then I think the book should be thrown at her and more so should the child die because of this.

I have always felt we needed to improve of system to deal better with children without parents. Their are alot of flaws in it today from children being taken from loving parents to child in the care of people who do it only for the money. I can sight case from a friend were her duaghter children were taken from her and I know personnal she is a very loving mother.
 
posted by [identity profile] doubleplus.livejournal.com at 08:33pm on 2005-01-08
I agree with all your points. I didn't actually mean to disagree with you, I was just being appalled that not only is he trying to use a real problem as cover for a radical anti-abortion bill, he's using a real problem that as a legislator, he could do something about if he really cared about it.
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 12:38am on 2005-01-09
Instead of having the book thrown at some hapless woman who leaves her newborn in a trash can, I would prefer to see that the 87%+ of US counties which currently have severely restricted to nonexistent access to abortion have services provided or restored; I would prefer to see "conscience clauses," which allow medical professionals to restrict women's access to contraception or family-planning information (on the grounds that the medical professionals themselves disagree with the existence of such technologies), scrapped; I would prefer to see comprehensive sex education in US schools, as is done in just about every other industrialised Western country; I would prefer to see a US government pushing science instead of "faith-based initiatives" as a basis for its public policy...

To me, to do the former, rather than all the latter, is blaming the victim in the rankest sort of way. People who do that sort of thing need help, not punishment.

Then again, since you're a marginally literate religious type (with a penis and a public opinion about abortion) who rants about liberals, misunderstands the purpose of "free speech," and hates the ACLU...not to mention who cites personal anecdotes to support his arguments without citing facts to back them up, I wouldn't expect you to understand the thrust of my argument.

I'm also not a US citizen (thank goodness), and I'd be perfectly content to let you lot go to wrack and ruin on your own, if it weren't that you'd take the entire rest of the world down with you when you went.
 
posted by [identity profile] anniemal.livejournal.com at 04:19am on 2005-01-09
Let's get it over with and declare that the state of being female is illegal and we all gotta suffer and die.

Or all women of childbearing age could refuse to commit any act which might get them pregnant. It would take great coordination.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 04:25am on 2005-01-09
Ah, the Lysistrata approach. Yeah, it'd take a lot of coordination. But not something to forget about entirely.
 
posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 09:08am on 2005-01-09
Socialism... right. State run every thing. You know what I am GLAD you are not a US Citizen.

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