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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 12:42pm on 2005-01-25

A few days ago, I was reading something from, or in support of, that group that was complaining that Spongebob Squarepants is encouraging homosexuality (one of the groups with "Family" in their name, which is actually relevant here), and ran across an interesting meme in it (yeah, more interesting than the expected anti-gay memes). The author referred to "bigotry" as a liberal "code word".

Except that it's not. "Bigotry" isn't code, it's blunt. It means exactly what it says. It doesn't dress up the concept in prettier phrasing to make it harder to argue with or to sneak past someone's "Wha'd they just say?" filter. It doesn't hide an agenda behind an innocuous-sounding phrase. It doesn't even try to be polite. It's raw. Maybe even rude. It's the antithesis of a "code word".

Calling it a code word is a distraction. An attempt to encourage the reader to dismiss it henceforth as either meaningless or deceitful. And the meme that says "you can ignore statements the other side makes about 'bigotry' without feeling bad" is snuck in there as part of the scenery. Sneaky and malignant.

Admittedly none of us are perfect, and sometimes when we say the word "bigotry" we focus on certain forms of it and overlook others. But we get called on that when we do, and we expect each other to call us on it. The fact that the group complaining about it is trying to defend a particular example of bigotry does not make it our code word.

The irony, of course, is that this is coming from one of the so-called "family" organizations. "Family" and "family values" are the code phrases most often used as examples of the concept of a code word! "Family" is not used by conservatives to denote a comprehensively -- nor even consistently -- pro-families approach. It is a shorthand for "anti-liberal, anti-homosexual, and reactionary" and usually has anti-sex and "strict-father" family-model elements added. Much of the "family values" agenda actually opposes families that don't fit their particular "moral" crusade. They say "family" because that sounds nicer than "anti-gay" and frames it as something dangerous to argue against: "How could you be anti-family?" And they do this while working to make life harder for existing families in the real world who fail to fit their narrow model. As far as I can tell, there's little done in the "pro family" name that actually helps families -- even "corect" ones -- beyond a few token feelgood speeches. That is, what I've seen isn't even pro-"the right kind of" family; only anti-"the wrong kind" (and, frequently, pro-censorship using "the children" as an excuse).

And this is a group that has the gall to issue a statement that refers to "bigotry" as a liberal code word? They can't even say "But think of the children!" sincerely because there's a footnote that says, "unless the children are gay, have gay parents, have a non-Norman-Rockwell family structure, or fail to be cowed into narrow social roles." What are they arguing against in the article I read? A video that tells children, more or less, "don't beat people up for being different".

So it's not hard to see why a "family"-agenda group would want to defang the word "bigotry" by convincing people to dismiss it as a code word.

Be careful out there, and don't step on the meme-mines.

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posted by [personal profile] blk at 06:30pm on 2005-01-25
Well spoken.

For any readers who want the original text, here is the article from the AFA about the video. The relevent bit:
The website is filled with pro-homosexual materials. A "Tolerance Pledge," for example, created by Tolerance.org, part of the leftist Southern Poverty Law Center, encourages signees to pledge respect for homosexuals and work against "ignorance, insensitivity and bigotry."

Most Christians are now aware of what those code words mean, said American Family Association chairman Don Wildmon. "If you are a person who accepts the homosexual lifestyle, then you are tolerant," he said. "If you don't, then you are a bigot who is motivated by ignorance and hate."
 
posted by [identity profile] susiebeeca.livejournal.com at 08:09pm on 2005-01-25
If you are a person who accepts the homosexual lifestyle, then you are tolerant," he said. "If you don't, then you are a bigot who is motivated by ignorance and hate."

And the "Well DUH" award goes to...
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 09:45pm on 2005-01-26
Actually, "the homosexual lifestyle" is an interesting phrase in its own right, in the context of this discussion. What do they think "the" homosexual lifestyle is, what do they really mean by that phrase, and what does it have to do with how most gay Americans live?
 
posted by [identity profile] susiebeeca.livejournal.com at 10:28pm on 2005-01-26
The impression I always got was that "lifestyle" emphasized the 'choice' to be gay; something along the lines of "condition" or "syndrome" might elicit unwanted pity for the dirty buggers. ;)

Or maybe they honestly think that when one 'becomes' gay, one's day-to-day structure changes overnight. I wouldn't put it past some of them.
 
posted by [identity profile] liritsvoice.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 2005-01-25
what bothers me about a lot of conservative christian groups is that supposedly theyre followers of jesus, doing as he did. but instead they develope their own agendas, slap the label 'christian' on it, and then they can say that people who disagree with them are spiritually wrong and immoral. yeesh.

basically, jesus just told people to care for eachother. not distinguishing between gay or straight, muslim or christian or athiest or buddhist or pagan, american or whatever.

James 2
15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress

Matthew 25
35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’


i visited the focus on the family website and didnt see anything to suggest that theyre doing anything to help families that are suffering due to the war in iraq. i'm sure many innocent kids have died over the past year because of fighting in iraq. shouldnt part of their agenda include helping those *families*?!? but theres nothing in their definition of 'family' that says that they have to care about, oh, say, other nationalities or muslims. they dont care about real families. they care about an agenda. people see this, and then think that the word 'christian' is synonomous with: arrogant, holier than thou, selfserving bigotry.

They say "family" because that sounds nicer than "anti-gay" and frames it as something dangerous to argue against: "How could you be anti-family?"


they do try to lull people with their wording. they turn their *opinions* into the sacred. 'family' sounds so friendly and warm, how can you be against them?? same as the pro-life movement.. how can you be anti-life?

bah.
 
posted by [identity profile] old-hedwig.livejournal.com at 06:52pm on 2005-01-25
One of my pet peeves about "some" Christians is that they ignore Matthew 25 and procclaim that all you have to do to be saved is repeat some formula about accepting Jesus and sign your name in the Chick tract. Jesus made real clear what we have to do.
 
posted by [identity profile] nosebeepbear.livejournal.com at 09:04pm on 2005-01-25
supposedly theyre followers of jesus, doing as he did

You mean like hanging out with homosexuals, alcoholics, gamblers and prostitutes? Treating them with the same love and respect that everyone else got?

Way too many Christians have forgotten or chosen to ignore what being Christ-like actually means. Thank you for pointing this out.
 
posted by [identity profile] liritsvoice.livejournal.com at 01:24am on 2005-01-27
Well, who's that man who thinks He's a prophet?
Well, I wonder if He's got something up His sleeve
Where's He from? Who is His daddy?
There's rumors He even thinks Himself a king
Of a kingdom of paupers
Simpletons and rogues
The whores all seem to love Him
And the drunks propose a toast

And they say, "Surely God is with us.
Well, surely God is with us."
They say, "Surely God is with us today!"
-------------------------------------------------

this is from a rich mullins song, 'Surely God is With Us,' from the jesus record. i find some of his music to be kind of cheesy, but i really do like this album. 'all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god', so how can anyone think themselves better or more moral than anyone else? arent we all just human beings struggling to find their way?

anyway, just thought you might appreciate the sentiment in this song. peace!! :-)

 
posted by [identity profile] thespian.livejournal.com at 05:18pm on 2005-01-27
Well, who's that man who thinks He's a prophet?

please not that this scans perfectly to "Who's the black private dick who's a sex machine".

I was expecting, for a moment after this to turn into filk.

He's a complicated man, and no one understands him but disciples..
CHRIST!
Damn right...
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 10:51pm on 2005-01-26
Re: works to go with faith: I wonder how many more times that needs to be said before it starts sinking in for the folks who need to hear it.

Re: suffering in other places: I remember seeing an analysis (probably on a page [livejournal.com profile] twistedchick linked to) of how many religious-right web sites had links or information or encouragement to donate to tsunami relief efforts, versus how many religious-left ones did. (IIRC, nearly all the left-leaning ones did, but none or nearly none of the right-wing ones.)

Re: abortion-issue nomenclature: Really, both sides are indulging in a bit of spin so as to have a pro-something name, which sounds nicer and easier to get behind than an anti-something name. They're really the anti-abortionists and the anti-restrictiveness camps. I do feel that the "pro-choice" label is less of a stretch than the pro-life one, though I wonder whether that's partly because of my own bias on that issue. (After all, the pro-choice folks are in fact saying, "let it be each individual's moral decision", while the pro-life people are saying "preserve life" but mostly overlooking life-beyond-the-womb.)
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 10:58pm on 2005-01-26
"people see this, and then think that the word 'christian' is synonomous with: arrogant, holier than thou, selfserving bigotry."

BTW, that's why several years ago I started making it a point to wear a cross all the time: visibility for non-right-wing, non-pushy Christians in a group that was largely distrustful of Christians because of mostly seeing the pushy, obnoxious ones. (Or mostly noticing the pushy ones ... quiet and respectful [anything] doesn't attract as much attention as flamboyant and/or annoying, even if there are many quiet folks around.)
 
posted by [identity profile] liritsvoice.livejournal.com at 01:30am on 2005-01-27
i'm generally just a quiet, respectful person (i mean, i *try* to be), but even so i get all kinds of crap for being christian. i dont go around trying to bother people, i just live my life, and 'friends' of mine harrass me for my spiritual decisions. i'm constantly having to defend myself and explain, 'i'm not like those other christians!!!! and i'm NOT a bush supporter!!!' (yeesh, since when did christian come to mean republican, anyway?!?! no offense intended to those who are christian and choose to be republican). thanks for the empathy!! :-)
 
posted by [identity profile] old-hedwig.livejournal.com at 06:50pm on 2005-01-25
Right. I ended up with a fairly "correct" family, but I don't see how the pro-family folks are doing squat for me. How about better schools, access to health care, a livable minimum wage (funny how the same folks who think the wife shouldn't work oppose mandating a wage that a family could possibly survive on) a safer, cleaner environment? And if they can't do any of this stuff, why insult me by telling me that I somehow benefit by government persecution of other American families?
 
posted by [identity profile] liritsvoice.livejournal.com at 07:01pm on 2005-01-25
amen, hon!
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 09:49pm on 2005-01-26
That paragraph needs a wider audience than it'll get as a comment to my journal. (Ideally even more than it'll get as a QotD later.)
 
posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 09:36am on 2005-01-27
I think you are all missing the MAIN issue here. It isn't if it is christain or not be homosexual. It is about the USA Government promoteing a political interest of a group that ISN'T legally recognized in many states. It is about YOUR tax dallors being used by special interest groups to target the children of the polutation as a whole, with out consent of the parents and with out warring, with the intent to undermine the political foe of homosexuality by targeting their children in the public school system.

Now before you all get on your high horses... let me ask you this. How would you feel about a school system putting on a program for child that says "homosexuality it wrong and unnatural" with out warning you or ask for you promision? You wouldn't like it would you? Well this is what they are doing.

I have made comments before that the school system shouldn't be a place for state morality to be forced upon our children. This is a perfect example of this. Homosexuals do not have the right to target children for force acceptance classes. Even more so when it does not warn parents or even give then the option of opting out.

That is the REAL point of this case.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 05:05pm on 2005-01-27
With all due respect, you're full of it this time. My response got too long for a comment, so I'm about to post it as its own entry.
 
posted by [personal profile] selkiechick at 08:59pm on 2005-01-27
I have two main points I would Like to respond to here.

This is about tolerance (putting up with something), not acceptance (believing something is right). Toleration doesn't step on anyone's religious or cultural beliefs. Every group makes choices about what they do and do not believe, and teach their children "This is what We do. Those people over may do (or think) differently) but they are not US." It works for many many groups. Live and let live has a long history here. Let's keep it going.

As far as "USA Government promoteing a political interest of a group that ISN'T legally recognized in many states", I have to disagree. It doesn't matter what groups are and aren't recognized by the State or Federal government. This is about respecting the rights of individual people, regardless of what their affiliations may be. The government is doing it's job to protect individuals from harm. Teaching children that being different is not a reason to harm someone- physically or mentally is very important. It could help prevent another Columbine tragedy.

 
posted by [identity profile] scruffycritter.livejournal.com at 10:33pm on 2005-01-27
"It is about the USA Government promoteing a political interest [...]"

Off topic, but i'm curious: I take it that you felt that the Bush Administration was wrong to be paying those conservative columnists via HHS Contracts?

I mean it's sauce for the goose and all dat..

Jus' wondering.

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