posted by [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com at 09:33am on 2005-01-29
Let's see...

1. Regulating the bedroom.

2. Requiring scientists and teachers to provide misinformation. And providing it -- selling it -- in government institutions.

3. No-fly lists. Secret rules regulating who, what, and how flight and other transportation is permitted.

4. Prohibition of an increasing amount of speech and expression, on the so-called "public" airwaves (which are in fact leased to the highest bidders, thus prohibiting even more expression (and I understand the need, but it's still intrusive) and particularly with regard to political dissent, by means of increasing restriction of access to public spaces.

Will these do for a starter package?
 
posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 04:07pm on 2005-01-29
So you are saying regulateing actions is more intrusive the regulateing human thoughts?

I would say NOTHING is more intrusive then to tell you "you can think that way... or we will punish you."

I would rather suffer though a death camp then have someone tell me what I can or can not think and many have.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 08:16pm on 2005-02-01
I'm not sure how we got from "attempting to cause changes to society" (or to use one of the definitions from your dictionary, "applied social science") to mind-control and/or thought-police.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 08:47pm on 2005-02-01
Couldn't #2 and possibly #4 (and maybe even #1) be considered likely crude attempts at social engineering? (Or parts of larger attempts?)
 
posted by [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com at 09:28pm on 2005-02-01
I'd call them all means that might be used in the context of social engineering. Upon further review, then, let's just let them lie as examples of horrific things the government is doing, which may in fact be part of an overarching strategy to erode civil liberties and influence or control citizens' thoughts. That latter, of course, being the definition of social engineering.

Mea culpa

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