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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 02:39pm on 2005-01-28

A followup question to that poll I just posted:

Does attempting to change enough people's minds to get a candidate you support elected constitute social engineering? Why or why not? Where is the line?

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posted by [identity profile] osuneko.livejournal.com at 07:54pm on 2005-01-28
I don't think so. As I stated before, someone has to already believe something for it to take effect. It's already inside of them. Some people would never vote for "Candidate X" because he is against everything they know is true. Others are varied and have to weight the pros and cons. And it's still their choice, no matter what anyone tells them. And it's everyone's human right to speak their opinions to others, whether others believe them or not.

If someone said that people shouldn't be allowed to tell others their side and their beliefs, than that would be taking away their rights as human beings. Some people go a little far and can be pushy, but unless they physically go to the voting booth and make the person choose someone they don't want to, then it's the responsibility of the individual to decide what they want to believe and how they act upon it.
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posted by [personal profile] redbird at 07:55pm on 2005-01-28
As in the previous, it depends on the methods you use. Saying "Pat Smith supports X, Y, Z and will be a wonderful Senator" when that's true is fine. Spreading lies about Smith's opponent is not.
 
posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 10:17pm on 2005-01-28
No that is just silly.

A candidate isn't a belief system. Social reform is about destorying one belief system to promote another. A candidate simple state what he plans to don in office and then asks for support. Most of the time people suggest a candidate because they feel he/she is the better of the two options.

Out side of a cult leader seldom do canidates represent a complete beleief system other then their own.
 
posted by [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com at 11:26pm on 2005-01-29
The reason I answered "don't know enough" to the poll is that I'm not sure how or if I want to define social engineering.

However, I think I do have a nice example. I'm told that one of the purposes of the early birth control movement was to make people less warlike--they'd be less likely to risk any of the children if they had fewer children. It seems to have worked.

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