From the Quotation of the day mailing list, 2005-02-03:
"Canada cannot and will not pick and choose which rights they would defend and ignore." -- Canadian Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, introducing a same-sex marriage bill in the House of Commons Tuesday, Feb. 1, 2005.(Submitted to the mailing list by Mike Krawchuk)
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Unfortunatley, we have a president from Texas.
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2. You misspelled 33%.
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I'n not going to go look it up now -- I'll probably do so tomorrow or Tuesday -- but if the Canadian approach is anything like what folks have been trying to do here in the US, the churches are safe. And isn't Canada wrestling with how to incorporate community religious-law-based arbitration to respect religious traditions where that's applicable without screwing up proper full access to secular adjudication? If I've remembered correctly on that count, then Canada is doing even more to protect and respect religious communites than we are, even at the same time as it's doing more than we are (so far) to be fair to same-sex couples.
So far the only places I've heard, "It's going to be rammed down the throats of the churches," is in anti-homosexual fearmongering rhetoric.
If they can't currently force a Catholic priest to marry a couple where one member is divorced, or force a rabbi to marry a Jew to a non-Jew, then I wouldn't worry that they'll force a church that does not recognize same-sex marriages to perform them.
OTOH, wouldn't it be nice for the government to respect those churches that do perform same-sex unions by recognizing those marriages? Or does protecting special rights for heterosexuals trump the notion of not discriminating against groups based on religion?
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http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/default.aspx?mid=800&cid=3315
"One of the two doctors being sued at North Coast referred Benitez to an outside physician who eventually performed a successful in vitro fertilization procedure that resulted in pregnancy. The two doctors have a policy against performing the procedure themselves on unmarried women; however, they agreed to provide all of the pre- and post-natal care as well as absorb any of the costs Benitez incurred as a result of the referral. Benitez filed suit against North Coast six months after becoming pregnant."
http://www.realwomenca.com/press.htm
"In addition, the federal government knows that in every case where religious rights have competed with homosexual rights, the Supreme Court of Canada has ordered the trumping of homosexual rights over religious rights. The parade of cases to diminish religious rights on same-sex marriage issues has already commenced with a BC lesbian couple claiming discrimination because a Catholic men's organization, the Knight's of Columbus, has refused to rent their hall for their marriage celebration."
http://www.christianity.com/partner/Article_Display_Page/1,,PTID23682%7CCHID125044%7CCIID586916,00.html
"PCANews - The National Post reported about a ruling released in June by a one-woman board of inquiry of the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission that effectively declared several biblical passages to be hate speech. Valerie Watson, a Saskatoon lawyer, ruled a 1997 advertisement in The StarPhoenix exposed, or would "tend to expose homosexuals to hatred and ridicule." The ad, placed by evangelical Christian Hugh Owens, cited four biblical passages that support the view that active homosexuality is a sin."
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031117-104249-1352r.htm
" "I believe those interests supersede one parent's freedom to practice her religion," said Mr. Campbell, who heads the Colorado Clergy for Equality in Marriage, which backs homosexual "marriage.""
http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=600&department=CFI&categoryid=cfreport
" a Canadian judge last week forced a Catholic high school district to allow a homosexual prom date, in violation of the district’s mandate to uphold church teaching against homosexual acts. Both sides have vowed to take the case all the way to the Canadian Supreme Court."
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33007
""This change in the common law is not an incremental step – today the court has fundamentally redefined marriage," said Bruce Clemenger, president of the EFC. "Other courts have ruled that redefining marriage is too big a step to be made by the courts and should properly be made by Parliament."
The Interfaith Coalition includes Roman Catholics, Evangelical Protestant Christians, Muslims and Sikhs."
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32042
""Gay" activists are pushing an agenda in Canadian schools aimed to have students, teachers and principals "celebrate" homosexual and transgendered people, reports the Vancouver Sun. "
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42502
"Illinois churches are protesting a new state law that bars them from "discriminating" against homosexuals, contending it robs Christians of their First Amendment freedoms."
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/johnleo/jl20040412.shtml
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http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/december2004/211204prisonsentence.htm
"Christians Face 47 Year Prison Sentence For Praying, Reading Bible During Homosexual Protest."
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"The College began its campaign in March 1999 when the BC Teachers' Federation passed a resolution in support of the development of programs to eliminate "homophobia" and heterosexism in the schools. This program called for pro-homosexual themes in every grade from kindergarten to grade 12 in every curriculum area. (This must have been a challenge for the woodworking classes.) Thousands of dollars in union funds were spent in publishing and distributing this program and its resources. The program instructed children that homosexual behaviour is normal and acceptable, and morally equivalent to heterosexuality. The program includes the statement, "We must dishonour the attitude that heterosexuality is the only acceptable orientation." The propaganda also depicts the Biblical characters David and Jonathan as a homosexual couple."
http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/1997/may19/7t6053.html
"Canadian Donna Lindquist wants to be an elementary school teacher, and she believes the training she is receiving at Langley's Trinity Western University (TWU) will qualify her to teach in the British Columbia school system.
But there is a problem. Last June, the province's accrediting agency denied TWU's application to fully certify its teacher-education program. Although the academic program passed muster, the British Columbia College of Teachers (BCCT) determined the school's policy on homosexuality to be "discriminatory" and "contrary to the public interest."
Nice sources...
I think you missed these parts of this really important document:
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Affirmative action programs (2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
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Qouteing the Bible in public has been ruled a crime in Canada already. They are tring to do it in the USA now. Speaking out against homosexual is quickly becomeing a crime in of itself. In schools religious children are call biggots for rejected the pro-homosexuality teaching. And lastly Doctors who due to their faith can not perform a elective service for a homosexual, no matter how much they hook them up with one that will, are not allowed to act on their conscience.
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
a) freedom of conscience and religion; (but you can not act according to your faith in canada if it is relateing to homosexuality)
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; (yet in Canada they have sent a man to jail over this.)
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and (Yet in the USA they are tring to send 5 people to jail for 47 year for doing just that.)
d) freedom of association. (Yet in Canada Church run schools are being presured to teach pro homosexual teaching even thought it is against its faith.)
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
But clearly in Canada religions rights are not equal to homosexual rights.
Affirmative action programs (2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
And under that you are striping faiths the right to belief what they want.
I have giving a long list of events in which homosexuality has been used to mussle, sue, and forced acceptance and association. Which was my point in the first post. I have given you REAL CASES.
Can you give me cases in which religious freedom was protected in Canada when it comes to homosexuality?
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Get real
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Speaking as a(nother) Canadian, BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!! Well written! I haven't laughed so hard all day.