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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 09:36pm on 2005-05-28 under , ,

Waitaminute ... if "discombobulate" is in the dictionary, why aren't "combobulate" and "recombobulate"? (I only checked http://www.m-w.com -- I need to go hunt down the URL of the online OED and see whether it's in there.

Remember that rash-curing ritual I confused a bunch of people with a few weeks ago? I'm happy to say that it worked as expected. Perrine still kneads my ribs and my upper arm, but now without poking me and causing pain. She's still got enough claw to hurt me if she wanted to, but not so much that she keeps doing so by accident. She didn't struggle while her claws were being clipped, but she did emit pitiful, frightened-sounding cries.

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posted by [personal profile] geekosaur at 02:03am on 2005-05-29
I need to go hunt down the URL of the online OED and see whether it's in there.

It's not. :>
 
posted by [identity profile] cirith-ungol.livejournal.com at 03:33am on 2005-05-29
Amusingly, both words show up on Google. "Recombobulate" in particular seems to be working its way into slang usage.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 04:50pm on 2005-06-16
It's obviously a "back formation", but it makes so much sense, and is so useful, that I'm not surprised others are using it.
 
posted by [identity profile] merde.livejournal.com at 04:13am on 2005-05-29
i checked my OED (compact ed., 1971). "discombobulate" isn't even in there, much less "combobulate." a sec, i will check a couple of my other dictionaries to see if i can find an etymology.... (hey, do you still have that etymological dictionary i gave you 20-odd years ago?)

OK. discombobulate is also not in Everybody's Dictionary For Every Day Use, 3rd ed. (1914); the New Universities Dictionary, 1st ed. (1922) or New ed. (1927); the Webster's New Handy Pocket Dictionary, Concise ed. (1935); the Geographical Webster's Revised Home and Office Dictionary, 1st ed. (1937); the New Century Dictionary, 4th(?) ed. (1944); Webster's New International Dictionary, 2nd ed. (1957); or the Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language, Concise ed. (1960). even John Ciardi's "A Browser's Dictionary: A Compendium of Curious Expressions and Intriguing Facts" (1980) hasn't got it, alas, since that would certainly contain any etymology that might exist. (it does contain entries for "mollycoddle" and "codfish aristocracy," however, which for some reason reminds me of the Pat McCurdy lyric "You went to an ice cream social/With an ice cream socialist.")

it is in the Random House Dictionary, unabridged ed. (1966) and the Random House College Dictionary, revised ed. (1975), both of which offer the variants "discombobulated" and "discombobulating" and suggest it may be derived from "discompose" or "discomfort." the Oxford American Dictionary (1980) provides no etymology, nor does Webster's New Universal Unabridged, 2nd ed. (1983).

clearly, then, the word is a slang variant of similar-sounding words, and has no clear etymology per se. it must have come into use between 1960 and 1966, but i'm all out of dictionaries, so that's as far as i can take you.

thanks for the excuse to drag out the reference books -- i don't do that often enough!
 
posted by [identity profile] jbsegal.livejournal.com at 06:19am on 2005-05-29
Ok, it's time to poke Michael Quinion about this!
 
posted by [identity profile] jbsegal.livejournal.com at 06:29am on 2005-05-29
http://worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-dis1.htm

Or maybe he's covered it already. I know he takes criticism fairly well, if you'd like to argue.
 
posted by [identity profile] bibliotrope.livejournal.com at 07:10am on 2005-05-29
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language has "discombobulate (http://www.bartleby.com/61/72/D0257200.html)", but not much etymology for it. Like Quinion, it thinks it may be an "alteration of discompose."
 
posted by [identity profile] madbodger.livejournal.com at 07:25pm on 2005-05-29
I suspect `discombobulate' is a back-construction of `discombulated' (see `sidle' and `micturate').
However, that just iterates the mystery slightly.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 04:52pm on 2005-06-16
*smooch!*

And right now most of my books are still in boxes ... I hope I still have that etymological dictionary ...
 
posted by [identity profile] ruthlilycat.livejournal.com at 05:28am on 2005-05-29
Is it just a British used word? I never heard of it until I met my DH. Now I use it all the time...it's a great descriptive word.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 04:53pm on 2005-06-16
AFAIK it's not British-specific ... But I've been wrong about such things before.
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posted by [personal profile] ceo at 11:07am on 2005-05-29
I use "recombobulate" with some regularity.
 
posted by [identity profile] madbodger.livejournal.com at 07:26pm on 2005-05-29
You would.
 
posted by [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com at 12:49pm on 2005-05-31
Does anyone have a text example to tell the OED about?

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