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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:25am on 2005-10-24

"Marriage is under threat, all right. The threat, however, comes not from gay couples who want to get married but from straight couples who either do not get married or do not stay married. A third of American children are born to unmarried parents. The divorce rate has doubled since 1960, and the marriage rate fell 40 percent from 1970 to 2000. Cohabitation rose 72 percent in the 1990s. Twenty-eight percent of young couples aged 18-29 are unmarried. 'The future of marriage may depend,' as an analysis of that last figure by the Gallup Organization remarks, 'on whether young people simply delay marriage or sidestep it altogether.' Society generally and children especially have an interest in encouraging these couples to get and stay married.

"One way to do that is to signal, legally and culturally, that marriage is not just one of many interchangeable 'lifestyles,' but the gold standard for committed relationships. For generations, both law and culture signaled that marriage is the ultimate commitment, uniquely binding and uniquely honored; that everyone could and should aspire to marry; and that marriage is especially important for couples with children. Same-sex marriage may be the first opportunity the country has had in decades to climb back up the slippery slope and say, quite dramatically, that marriage--not co-habitation, not partnership, not civil union, but marriage--is society's first choice."

-- Jonathan Rauch (of the Brookings Institution), "Family's Value" (requires login; try bugmenot.com), New Republic, 2005-05-25 (quote appears on secong page of article, link is to first page)

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posted by [identity profile] leiacat.livejournal.com at 12:04pm on 2005-10-24
Y'know.... It's quotes like this that make me very, very seriously reconsider getting married, because I don't feel my relationship as it stands now is in any way inferior to what it will be after I pay too much money for a grand shindig and sign some papers at a courthouse.
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posted by [personal profile] zenlizard at 02:28pm on 2005-10-24
Here we have a very good illustration of an attitude common to both the chritain right wing politicoes and the more reactionary of the left wing femminist politicoes: that "marriage" is the only legitimate form of commitment in a personal relationship.

And it's an even better illustration of why this attitude is shit.
 
posted by [identity profile] silmaril.livejournal.com at 03:45pm on 2005-10-24
Same-sex marriage may be the first opportunity the country has had in decades to climb back up the slippery slope and say, quite dramatically, that marriage--not co-habitation, not partnership, not civil union, but marriage--is society's first choice.

Hehe. Hehe. Hehehehehehe.

Won't happen for obvious reasons.

Hehehehehehehehe.
 
posted by [identity profile] elynne.livejournal.com at 07:04pm on 2005-10-24
... glah.
 
posted by [identity profile] hunterkirk.livejournal.com at 07:52pm on 2005-10-24
"Same-sex marriage may be the first opportunity the country has had in decades to climb back up the slippery slope and say, quite dramatically, that marriage--not co-habitation, not partnership, not civil union, but marriage--is society's first choice."


The most of the rest was accurate then the conclusion went right off the cliff. Lets look to the examples of countries that have embraced same sex marriage... has it reduced the devorce rate... NO. So what link is there between devorce and same sex marriage... NONE.

Why don't we start in our movies showing devorced people as disfuncational and strange and showing commited marriages as normal and something to admire. Not in hollywood. Why don't we tell people how devorce was a shame and not that "it was best to end it"?

Same Sex marriage has no link to the devorce rate (outside of those who devorce their wives because they 'discover' they are homosexuals). But it surely isn't the salvation of marriage either.
 
posted by [identity profile] dptwisted.livejournal.com at 09:15pm on 2005-10-24
I believe that the anti-gay movement is ultimately doomed. We're obviously not getting off this rock anytime soon, and eventually the population will become so unwieldy that societies and governments will start embracing ways to reduce the populace. Gay partnerships, childless couples...marriage itself may become obsolete some day. Probably not in my lifetime or my kids' lifetimes, but eventually.

Still sucks for those who have to ride out the necessary reactionary storm in the meantime.

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