posted by [identity profile] jmax315.livejournal.com at 02:52am on 2005-12-16
This is similar my opinion on the subject. I think torture ought to be illegal (simple morals and ethics aside; *I'm* not discounting them, but someone preparing to commit torture already has) because I really do believe that the logic chain ought to be something like "Yes, it really is so important to get information that this person knows that I'm willing to sacrifice my career, my reputation, and my own freedom in order to get it out of them."
 
posted by [identity profile] selki.livejournal.com at 04:51am on 2005-12-16
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Exactly what I'd been trying to put words together to say.

Thanks.
 
posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com at 06:11am on 2005-12-16
This was the conversation on To the Point the other night, in making the distinction between "yes, sometimes it is warranted" and "let's legislate that it's warranted."
 
posted by [identity profile] scruffycritter.livejournal.com at 10:57am on 2005-12-16
Exactly.

Just because something is considered to be a crime doesn't it can't be justified under extreme circumstances.

You just take your chances when you commit such an act. The criminal justice system gets a crack at you and you have to explain yourself. You have to sit and allow yourself to be judged as to whether what you did was justified or not.

Want a real Hollywood scenario?

I'm sure the passengers of the 9/11 flight that crashed in Western PA were violating many laws when they attacked the hijackers. They would have been acquitted of course because they were acting "in the defense of themselves or others".

If the hypothetical Hollywood scenario ever occurs, and I'm sitting on the grand jury, I'll refuse to indict. So would anyone else with a soul. Arguing that it shouldn't be made a crime for that reason insults garden variety straw-man arguments.

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