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I hate making big changes, but I fear it's time. I need advice and suggestions.

First, my dialtone provider, Talk America, has been overcharging me on taxes and assorted fees, so it's time to punt them. This could wind up being a good change as long as what I'm considering doesn't bite me: while "dry DSL" (that is, DSL without a POTS dialtone) still costs too much, and likewise for cable without already having cable TV, Verizon is offering cheap DSL which costs about as much as 'measured service' (that is, a phone line that doesn't have unlimited free local calling), and the two together come to about the same price as a normal (unlimited local calling) POTS line. So I could save a little and get a faster connection ...

... if DSL is reliable enough (both in the everyday uptime sense and in the "provider ain't gonna pull the rug out from under me in eight months" sense) that I don't have to fall back on using dialup and incurring per-call tolls. (This is mitigated somewhat if I get the type of service that has 30 free calls per month and have a dialup provider where connections can reliably stay up for more than twelve hours at a stretch; otherwise the per-call charges for dialup will add up to eat all of the supposed savings.)

I've asked elsewhere about the reliability of DSL (most of my friends with broadband connections have cable), and the one response I got said that reliability varies from place to place and the best predictor is whether my neighbours are happy with it. But I'm pretty sure none of my neighbours has a broadband Internet connection.

(It's probably worth noting that Bell Atlantic managed to really piss me off several times when I was their customer, and that although post-merger-and-renaming Verizon has been better to deal with, they don't give me warm fuzzies.)

The savings would be even greater if I got rid of my existing ISP, which has some hard-to-find features I count on and which has friendly and mostly-helpful tech support but is not cheap. But with no dialup provider at all, I really would be completely at the mercy of Verizon DSL, which makes me nervous.

And that brings me to my second, and much more stress-inducing issue. My ISP, RadixNet, has become unreliable with regard to delivery of email. First there was the occasionally black-holing of domains from which I get -- and expect -- legitimate email, which has resulted in my failing to receive messages from three different mailing lists at different times. I think other list members and I have finally gotten that behaviour beaten out of them. Then there was their refusal to accept email from my (at the time) employer, a policy that made it a pain for him to contact me with assignments. The policy appears to have silently been rescinded, because he recently emailed me and it got through, and he said that neither his setup nor his ISP's DNS have changed. Through all of this was their routing all of my mail through a spam filter despite the announcement of that filter (and help screens about it since) describing it as "opt-in" and my never having opted in. It turns out they have multiple layers of filtering, some of which they can bypass and some they cannot, and they've finally (within the past month) routed all of my mail around the ones that can be bypassed. (Spam filtering is nice, when I can trust it not to generate false positives and delete mail that should have gotten through; having the filters be under my control increases my trust.) So my mail is no longer going through /etc/procmailrc but is apparently still being managed by Bogofilter. If no legitimate messages were ever deleted, I'd probably have never noticed; as it is, it's a problem. And then there are unannounced changes that keep outgoing mail from my LAN from getting out, which their support staff are helpful about when I ask for advice on updating my configuration (alas, now I need to replace my old Sendmail to get around the latest change, and the version of Linux it's running on is old enough for that to make me nervous), but the lack of advance notice means that the first time I find out about the change is when folks fail to get mail I sent.

Finally, messages that do make it all the way to the host where I read my mail are sometimes not delivered. At least some of these get as far as .forward processing and are copied to the file my Linux machine FTPs every quarter hour and I see them at home but not in my shell account at my ISP -- this is how I'm aware of the problem and how far along the messages have gotten. But when I'm not at home, I don't usually telnet all the way back through my modem (which is only up 95% of the time, not 100%) to my Linux machines to read mail -- I read it at a shell prompt on one of my ISP's machines. If it's not delivered there, I might miss it. Messages from [livejournal.com profile] syntonic_comma and [livejournal.com profile] anniemal have fallen through the cracks, yesterday an urgent announcement of the rescheduling of a medieval faire got dropped, and recently email from myself to myself on the same machine courtesy of the cron daemon was sent but not delivered. Something is wrong with mail delivery. And I've let it go on longer than I should have, waiting for support to respond to my pleas. It's been weeks since I complained about not getting the Quotation Of The Day Mailing List, and they still haven't tracked down that one repeatable glitch.

My one New Year Resolution this year is to resolve this issue and get reliable email delivery one way or another.

I really hate the idea of giving up an email address I've used for so long, especially since I do have old friends occasionally email me after years of silence, so the old address will sit in folks' addressbooks for longer than transitional forwarding will last, and my current address is on various copies of things I've written as the contact info for asking for permission to copy things elsewhere or to provide feedback.

On top of that, I hate the idea of migrating my web site again, which is bookmarked God-knows how many places, and linked to from all over the web. Of course, if I'm going to move it now, this is probably the time to get a vanity domain so that I'll have shorter URLs and can keep the same address even if I change providers yet again sometime in the future...


So, my questions:

Given that the mail readers I can stand are /bin/mail and (to a lesser extent) Mutt, is it reasonable to expect reliably enough uptime from a DSL connection that I can do without an ISP-provided shell account and just telnet home to check my mail when I'm away?

Is it insane to rely on DSL without a dialup provider as a backup, especially if I decide to count on being able to telnet home to read email from the road?

What dialup providers with Baltimore-area numbers are people happy with, do they provide shell accounts, will the cope with my being connected pretty much full-time, is email delivery reliable, and how are they for web hosting?

Note that I do want a Unix (or Linux, or OS X) shell on whatever machine hosts my web pages, with 'vi', 'sed', 'grep', 'find', 'tar', and various other tools that I consider "basic". SSI and PHP would be nice, but I've lived without them so far. (Note to friends offerring web space on their own servers: my traffic for just the HTML was about 560MB in December, and I don't have the traffic numbers for the images (which are currently on a different server) handy.)

Right now I see three general courses of action: 1) switch telcos but keep normal unlimited service, and find a more reliable dialup ISP that provides shell access and delivers email to the shell account; 2) switch telcos, get measured service, and add DSL, and also get a new ISP with reliable email and shell access; 3) switch telcos, get DSL, and set up my own machines to be where I read my mail no matter where I am. In parallel with those options, there's what to do about my web site when I leave RadixNet: a) make sure my new ISP is a reasonable web host with shell access; b) get a separate web hosting service with shell access; c) accept web space from a friend. Unless I get really ambitious or one of my pages get slashdotted, (c) probably makes the most sense at least for now, right?

I'm moving slowly on this because I dread it so. (%whine%) But it's time to kick myself into action. I've bitched to RadixNet's support staff long enough without getting an actual solution.

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posted by [personal profile] redbird at 06:56pm on 2006-01-12
I'm a happy panixian, and their Web page still advertises it as "Your $HOME away from home." They advise mutt or elm, but you can have /bin/mail for the trouble of typing "Mail" at a shell prompt.

Full service isn't cheap, but the basic telnet-in shell account is $10/month or $100/year.

Panix is reliable. The only significant downtime in the several years I've been with them was when terrorists dropped a building on the switching center.
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posted by [personal profile] redbird at 06:56pm on 2006-01-12
In case it matters, I think the panix shell hosts are all running FreeBSD.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:08am on 2006-01-13
It matters. My first choice is SunOS on Sparc so I can just copy the now-obsolete mailx executable that behaves the way I want (the mailx in the next version of SunOS changed features that matter to me; I copied the executable from Digex when I moved to Radix), but if I can get ahold of source for that or if the version in FreeBSD is close enough, that'll do. FreeBSD is on my "these are reasonable and comfortable operating systems" list.

I was about to edit my entry to include a C compiler among the required tools, but I see that Panix advertises access to current versions of compilers among their features, so I'd be surprised if C isn't among the languages they provide.
 
posted by [identity profile] lonebear.livejournal.com at 07:01pm on 2006-01-12
i was with panix when it was run on a mac in the owners basement. smart.net might be good also, although i haven't been with them since i went dsl years ago.

and i have not had more than 1 or 2 significant (more than 24 hours) dsl outages since i started.
 
posted by [identity profile] matthew-g.livejournal.com at 08:57pm on 2006-01-12
I was with smart.net for three years when I lived in Rockville. Never had a problem and I was on their no-frills-leave-me-alone plan, if I remember correctly :)
 
posted by [identity profile] jeanniemac.livejournal.com at 07:02pm on 2006-01-12
I know that we are out SoCal, but we are on DSL right now (a dreaded change after 4 wonderful years with a cable modem. We were not given a choice in the matter). We use SBC/Yahoo, which also provides our local phone service. We are even considering switching our long distance to them, now that they have merged with ATT. I don't know if this service is available in MD but we have found it to be very reliable. Since Cox is the cable modum provider out here (and they suck!) we may keep the DSL even if we change residences.
 
posted by [identity profile] faireraven.livejournal.com at 07:03pm on 2006-01-12
Don't use Crosslink. I used to work for them. 'Nuff said.
 
posted by [identity profile] unix-vicky.livejournal.com at 07:29pm on 2006-01-12
Well, until I got my T1, I had a dialup account with them, and they gave me lots of static IP addresses, which is a pretty usual thing to offer. Of course, I started dealing with them back in '96 when they were pretty small, and I got to deal directly with Ed Pechan (the owner) who seemed like a pretty nice guy (of course, I didn't have to work for him). I'd be interested to hear about your experiences.
 
posted by [identity profile] whc.livejournal.com at 07:09pm on 2006-01-12
Check out 1and1.com. If their hosting provides what you need (I think it does), you can use some space on my hosting account, including email. If you register a domain name (~$5/year) it could point to my hosting without any sign of it being shared space.

When I had DSL, most of my outages seemed to be related to the crappy Alcatel USB modem and win ME system I used at the time. (of course, that was in a different city and a different provider)
 
posted by [identity profile] elbowfetish.livejournal.com at 07:11pm on 2006-01-12
It's not reasonable to expect your best connectivity provider to be a good email provider or web hosting provider. Deal with your services seperately.

If you get shell access to a shared server, so will others, making it inherently vulnerable to poor service.

Own your own domains for web and email addresses. Switching a hosting provider should not mean changing your address.

If you want to host your own services, be forewarned that many places won't accept SMTP from an ISP pool address without special provisions, even a static address.

It's also quite hard to get a static address with a 'consumer' account. If you want to run services, you should look at a 'business' account. Which will be correspondingly more money for the additional and improved services.

Lots of stuff is better now than 'the good old days' but the landscape is certainly different (and not less complex, just less technically complex and more sophisticated businesswise).

Best wishes
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 09:12pm on 2006-01-12
Own your own domains for web and email addresses. Switching a hosting provider should not mean changing your address.

Seconded.

I use a shell/hosting company for hosting my domain (email+web) and my "home shell". I get my domain name registration through a friend for cheap. I get dialup through a dialup provider.

I highly recommend my shell/hosting co. They're nyip.net, and just as you'd expect from a company called "NY IP", they're in California. :) It's two guys in a basement, I think, and the service has been wonderful. They prefer highly technically clued customers. They withstood a slashdotting, when an OS project they host made the frontpage, without going down.
 
posted by [identity profile] unix-vicky.livejournal.com at 07:13pm on 2006-01-12
I've got several friends already using my steeds.com servers. Back in '96, I decided the only way to have a consistent email/web address was to have my own domain. I suppose I didn't have to take the extra step of hosting it myself, but it's been a great learning experience. Anyway, I now have a T1, and it's been stable for the last year (the first few months were rough, until Verizon switched me to a different set of wires back to the CO). So, for free, you can have a steeds.com account (whatever@steeds.com email address, and http://www.steeds.com/~whatever/ web space). Right now, it's on a FreeBSD machine (Sun E450, with weekly tape backup), but in the past I've used Linux machines. You get ssh or telnet access, POP3 and SMTP email, but currently no FTP (everyone uses sftp or scp). For a few bucks ($10/year? + domain reg cost if you want me to do it), I'll set up a domain for you (virtual web server, and virtual mail user table). I also run my own DNS, so that's easy to handle, and I can serve as secondary DNS for you even if you host elsewhere (that, I'd do for free).
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 09:34am on 2006-02-19
(Yah, I'm not moving very quickly on this ... but I am moving.)

Yes, please. I'm also trying out a different site (which is part of the reason I've taken so long to get around to taking you up on your offer -- I didn't want to be greedy), but have hit a stumbling block there. We can switch over to a vanity domain later, I don't have to decide on that right away, right?

I'll look up my typical website bandwidth usage in a bit (I had that number handy a couple weeks ago, if I remember where I put it), to ask whether it's a reasonable level that won't cause you problems.
 
posted by [identity profile] still-asking.livejournal.com at 07:30pm on 2006-01-12
1) In my experience smart.net became stupid quite a few years ago.

2) Once the City of Baltimore recognizes you as disabled, you'll be eligible for a certain amount of minimum landline (thru Version I believe) for $5 per month. It's limited on outgoing but covers all incoming.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:26am on 2006-01-13
*nod* But it's only a good solution for me if a) I do switch to DSL and that turns out to be reliable, or b) I get a dialup provider where connections reliably stay up longer than 1/(number-of-free-calls) of a month. (Actually it's not quite that simple -- depending on the price per call, a certain number of toll calls after the free ones would still be affordable.)

Currently, connections to Radix are dropped after eight hours regardless of activity, and occasionally (a few times a week I think, but I'll have to dig through /var/logs) get dropped by random glitches after less than eight hours. So I'm dialing out 3-4 times/day, probably about 100-120 calls per month. A dialup ISP where connections stay up for longer or shorter makes a big difference to the affordability of a "low budget" phone plan. So, of course, does a broadband connection which works well enough that I'm not making any calls.
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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 08:34pm on 2006-01-12
We've had DSL for over 6 years. I've never bothered to find out how to dial up. (I assume my machine has a modem card in it.) We've had occasional outages, but they're measured in minutes or at worst hours, not days.

I do not use the DSL provider for email. That binds me to them, and sometimes the interface sucks (web-based). I have a shell account ($99/year) that meets all of my mail, web-hosting, and Unix needs. I pay $15/year to pobox.com for a permanent email address (forwards to my shell) because thus far I've been too lazy to sort out the whole domain thing. (For that matter, I've had the pobox address for 10 years now, long before vanity domains were easy.) Pobox redirects email and URLs, so if I change providers for those services I just redirect the pobox pointers.

Static IP addresses are hard to come by with the cheaper DSL options; will that affect your ability to host your own mail?
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:52pm on 2006-01-12
A static IP address would make things easier, but dynamic DNS should make things work okay with a dynamic address.

Currently I'm not even doing that; instead, a cron job FTPs a file containing my current IP address to my home drectory at my ISP, so I telnet to my ISP and log in, then I type "gohome" to invoke a shell script that looks up the current IP address and fires off telnet to there. For access to home without a shell account at an ISP, I could have the address updated on a web site instead. To get the mail to my home machine in the first place, I'm guessing I could have cron invoke fetchmail or something similar to copy it from the ISP's mail server.
 
posted by [identity profile] patches023.livejournal.com at 09:58pm on 2006-01-12
Do you have a correct date for the faire? I think I got the same email yesterday and the new "date" is Sat Feb 28, which is wrong. Do you know if it is Sat Jan 28 or Sat Feb 25? I am hoping Feb 25. I emailed the sender and have not gotten a reply yet.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:53pm on 2006-01-12
No; I too have sent a similar message and am waiting to hear back (but I only sent mine a few hours ago). Do you know whether there's a web site for the event?
 
posted by [identity profile] dptwisted.livejournal.com at 11:23pm on 2006-01-12
Be warned: Verizon absolutely forbids users to run ANY kind of server on their network. No email or web hosting especially. They enforce this by locking down incoming ports on the DSL router they provide (and if you provide your own, they force you to configure it like theirs and lock your access out of it.) I don't know if you can even telnet into a machine on Verizon's network. I suspect not, since you can't forward the telnet port.

Reliably, they've been excellent, but they don't want users who are going to do things much more advanced than read email and surf the web.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 11:41pm on 2006-01-12
Oh.

That is, in fact, a show-stopper. :-( Even if I'm not telnetting home to read all my mail, I absolutely must be able to get back to my home machines to access files and tools stored there, including old mail archived off of whatever main mail machine I'm using, a few spreadsheets, sheet music, music typesetting tools (most of these via telnet, a few via ftp) ... And though I don't need it often, the times I need to access my Windows machines using VNC (http://www.realvnc.com/) I really need that to work.

I can deal fine with not running my own web server (it'd be nice to be able to host a special-purpose web site but I was already planning to continue to have the public one hosted outside my house). I can cope with not having SMTP directly into my in-house mail server (I'll grumble, but I don't have that now anyhow). I'd prefer to have outbound SMTP directly, but if they make it easy to point Sendmail on my main Linux box to their relay, I'll deal. But I must have telnet and VNC access to my home machines from outside of my house.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:31am on 2006-01-13
Note that if I'm connecting from somebody else's computer and they don't already have a VNC client installed, I've got two choices: download and install VNC on their machine, or hit the minimal web server built into the VNC server and run the Javascript VNC client it sends me. It's not on the default HTTP port, but if Verizon blocks everything inbound by default, it'll still break.
 
posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 11:37pm on 2006-01-12
Rustin uses Verizon for his POTS, and they consistently switch him off his flat-rate long distance plan without asking him first (this has happened four or five times now). Since he calls me (up here in Ontario) and his friend Craig (in Milwaukee) from his place in NYC a lot, that can add up. He'll be going along just fine, and then get a phone bill for $3000. Then when he calls them to try to get it fixed, they tell him he can have his plan reinstated as soon as he pays what he owes them. Pretty sneaky, huh?

Also, they've made it pretty much impossible to deal with a disconnect notice in NYC by strategically closing all their Verizon storefront operations and turning them over to cheque-cashing places, most of which won't handle payments on disconnect notices because of liability issues.

Also, he's had any amount of problems with his actual phone line, plus their claiming several times that he had two accounts with them (one in an old number that had long since been inactivated), and all kinds of other trouble.

I don't know if that's just a NYC thing, but he and various other people I know who are on Verizon have had no end of trouble with them. I realise that the plural of anecdote is not data, but it might be "pattern of corporate malfeasance." Needless to say, they don't exactly give me the warm fuzzies either.

I use 1and1 as my hosting service, too, and aside from that they send full-colour, graphics-heavy HTML mail, I've got no complaints.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:01am on 2006-01-13
There's another POTS provider I was inclined to use instead (partly because they're so very up-front about exactly what taxes and surcharges you'll pay right on their web site; information other telcos don't like to advertise (and how I found out I'm being overcharged). I was leaning toward Verizon because they have the cheapest DSL and I've heard of Verizon not playing nice with other telcos where DSL is involved ... I've also heard of them (and all other RBOCs) playing nasty with competing DSL providers, resulting in other providers getting the rug pulled out from under them and their customers hung out to dry.

If Verizon won't let me connect to my house LAN from outside, Verizon DSL won't work for me; in that case I may as well go with a telco that hasn't pissed me off yet.

So far it sounds like the best ISP choices are 1and1 and Panix, but I haven't looked at NYIP yet.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 12:12am on 2006-01-13
I don't suppose they have a "send me plaintext email" tickbox, do they? I read mail in a non-MIME-aware mail client. (If I really want to read a message despite its being in HTML -- usually HTML is an "ignore me" flag -- I can run it through Lynx.)
 
posted by [identity profile] whc.livejournal.com at 12:58am on 2006-01-13
I don't remember the last time I got email from 1and1, other than tech support, so I must have opted out somehow.

Remember Verizon = GTE = pure incompetence!
 
posted by [identity profile] blumindy.livejournal.com at 01:28am on 2006-01-13
Hi. Remember us? We must have a decision from you. Please.
TY. TTFN.
 
posted by [identity profile] jmax315.livejournal.com at 05:06am on 2006-01-13
I've been very happy with toad.net. They're local (located in Severna Park), clueful, and have tech support staff that don't treat me like an idiot. So happy that I kept my toad email address and dialup account even after I moved to Comcast for connectivity (my firewall is set up to fail-over to my toad dialup account if cable goes out).

-They do provide a shell account.

-They do offer DSL (can't comment in detail; I'm out of range for DSL service for *anyone*; accident of geography).

-They include dialup service in their high-speed accounts, and offer essentially nation-wide local number coverage.

Worth looking at, anyway.

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