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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2006-10-17 under ,

"While the South Vietnamese use of torture did result (eventually) in [Nguyen Van] Tai's admission of his true identity, it did not provide any other usable information. [...] It was the skillful questions and psychological ploys of the Americans, and not any physical infliction of pain, that produced the only useful (albeit limited) information that Tai ever provided." -- Merle L. Pribbenow, former CIA interpreter, as quoted in "CIA Veterans Condemn Torture", by Jason Vest, National Journal, 2005-11-19, referring to 'the highest-ranking Vietcong prisoner captured and interrogated by both South Vietnamese and American forces during the Vietnam War'

[A meme I've seen a few different places suggests that Christians who support the Bush administration should be asked, "Whom would Jesus torture?"]

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posted by [identity profile] polydad.livejournal.com at 12:08pm on 2006-10-17
>"Whom would Jesus torture?"

How could it be set up to ask this of either Cheney or Bush at a national press conference?

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posted by [identity profile] metahacker.livejournal.com at 01:15pm on 2006-10-17
Wouldn't they just claim seperation of Church and State, and dodge the question? (They'd probably even miss the irony.)

Better might be a pic of Jesus in all his cruxified glory, asking, "Who else would you torture?" Hang it on every church door from Bangor to Tempe...
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posted by [identity profile] polydad.livejournal.com at 01:19pm on 2006-10-17
Of course they'd dodge the question; that's what they *do*. The object is to make it so that dodging the question offends civil libertarians *and* Evangelican christians *and* mainstream christians. The dodge should look like "Yes, I, the Veep/Prez *know* this is offensive, and I don't *care*."

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Joel
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posted by [identity profile] selki.livejournal.com at 02:55pm on 2006-10-17
Bush has said something before about not answering hypothetical questions, hasn't he? Or was that his Supreme Court nominees?

Anyway, all he has to do is accuse the other person of mockery and go on again about how it's haaaaard work.

Still a good question, though.
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posted by [identity profile] eviltomble.livejournal.com at 06:18pm on 2006-10-17
Mocking Bush is hard work?! ;) Hmm, well I suppose to him it might sound like it...

But yeah, I'm all for pushing the "Whom would Jesus torture?" question, loudly and conspicuously. I just hope whoever gets to ask it doesn't get accused of "assaulting the (vice) president", as apparently happened to some random bloke the other week who happened to briefly speak his mind to Mr Cheney (I'm afraid I lost the link, and I didn't catch what happened after).
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posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 06:57pm on 2006-10-17

I've been thinking of getting "Whom would Jesus torture?" as a bumper sticker.



And the story about the Secret Service considering calm disagreement to be assault (16 June) is at:


  • http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4436043 (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4436043)

  • http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1005-20.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1005-20.htm)

  • http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/cheney_assault_arrest_followed_word_to_cheney.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/cheney_assault_arrest_followed_word_to_cheney.htm)

  • http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/11626/Criticizing_Cheney_to_His_Face_Is_Assault (http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/11626/Criticizing_Cheney_to_His_Face_Is_Assault) (with reader comments)

  • http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5039230,00.html (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5039230,00.html)

  • http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:4E0wfm3eBjwJ:www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php%3Fextend.462+cheney+assault+speech&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10&client=opera (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:4E0wfm3eBjwJ:www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php%3Fextend.462+cheney+assault+speech&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10&client=opera) (mentions that assault charges were dropped 6 July)



I'd been meaning to write about that, but had not managed to get around to it yet. I haven't seen anything about new developments since the stories earlier this month about him suing the Secret Service (and I guess there won't be any news until it goes to trial).



The first comment to the gnn.tv page says,

"In the sixties, it took us too long to learn that resisting criminals in our government is not childs play. Remember Chi ‘68, and Kent State. So here we are again (still?) with a new generation. Hopefully this generation will learn more quickly. If you want to play hardball with the man, better be prepared (if that’s possible)." -- gazoobi

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