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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 02:16pm on 2006-12-29 under

So I was looking at this flat-screen monitor that I don't have the right power cord for (it takes the Mickey-Mouse-shaped connector that I know I've seen before but can't remember where, instead of the shape most computers use), wondering what the odds were of it working once I found or made a power cable for it, and decided to open it up and see just what it was that was rattling inside because I thought that might turn out to be a clue...

I got the case apart, and there was a Faraday cage inside it, that the rattling bit was inside of. Getting that open took a bit more trouble, but once I got far enough in to pry one edge of the guts away from the back of the LCD panel, this fell out:

This looks like it might be kind of important It's roughly three eighths of an inch across, and even-more-roughly five sixteenths of an inch tall (I didn't feel like going to fetch a ruler so I just held it next to a 1/4" patch cable and a 1/8" headphone cable -- if I'd thought ahead, I would've put a ruler in the photo). There are contacts on the underside, and it looks like it just came unsoldered from a circuit board. I'm guessing that the odds of the monitor working correctly (or at all) without this piece in the circuit are awfully darned slim, right? (OTOH, if this is all that's wrong with it, maybe I can get it apart enough to sneak a soldering iron in there, though I'm uncertain of the amount of skill required since I see only pads, not pins, to attach it by.)

I haven't Googled the part number; all I really know about it are the two obvious facts: it's not where it's supposed to be, and it's an inductor. Then again, any other details are probably moot -- either I can put it back where it goes, or I can't. I'm guessing that the chipped-off bit isn't going to be significant. (If it's just epoxy, I'm safe -- does epoxy have a sort of grainy look where it breaks? If it's ferrous, which I can't get a sure enough feel of with my fingernail to identify by touch (and I can't tell whether a magnet is being attracted to the black substance or to the metal of the coil, or perhaps a core if there is one), then the chip might alter the magnetic field a little, but I dunno, it's an awfully small piece.)

But it makes a kind of pretty photo, in a geeky way.

Speaking of geeking, here's how I got that photo in case anyone with a ditigal point-and-shoot needs to know the trick. I took a 50mm lens from a 35mm SLR film camera (I keep one that doesn't fit any of my cameras by the bed to use as a loupe), and held it up against the front of the digital camera, backwards. Then it was just a matter of moving closer and farther from the subject while looking at the LCD on the back of the camera, until I found a distance where it could focus. (Actually, I'm not certain whether the camera could really do anyything about the focus at all in that situation; I don't think it could have compensated if I'd been a little off. Fortunately it's not difficult to arrange as long as you can see what the camera sees, as is the case with either an SLR or a digicam with a display. The piece was sitting on a white sheet of paper, as close as I could manage to a lamp with a compact fluorescent bulb. (I presume the blue tint to the white paper is because the camera didn't automatically white-balance exactly right; sometime later I'll try setting the white-balance manually to the fluorescent setting and see how close that is, or try shooting in bright sunlight).

I did dial in some exposure compensation on the camera, but surprisingly I didn't have to do any level/curves/contrast adjustment in the computer afterwards. (Maybe I could've diminished that hot-spot on the side nearest the lamp if I'd tried, but it didn't seem important enough to sweat over.) All I did in Gimp was crop, scale, and add the copyright text.

I shot this with the digicam [livejournal.com profile] cellio gave me. (It has a 'close up' setting but not this close up.) If I'm going to shoot more macro with it, I foresee more rubber bands in that camera's future. I must say. I'm rather pleased to be able to get shots like this with it.

By the way, does anyone have spare power cables of the Mickey-Mouse-shaped variety? (If not, well I have an X-Acto knife, electrical tape, and a few of the wrong shape of cables.)

Mood:: 'accomplished' accomplished
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posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 08:24pm on 2006-12-29
the powerbrick to my company's laptop takes a mickeymouse power plug.

are you sure the monitor works?
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 08:37pm on 2006-12-29
never mind. I guess this will teach me not to reply to part of a post and not read the rest and then ask a question I would have found the answer to had I read more.

Then inductor looks to be a surface mount job. Something that might have happened to cause it to fall off, is that I believe all SMT chips are made to take 90 seconds worth of soldering temperature. they presolder the components, place them on the boards and then run the boards through an easy-bake oven like device where the parts wet onto the board. If the inductor somehow didn't get presoldered or didn't get enough solder that might be why it fell off.
 
posted by [identity profile] whc.livejournal.com at 08:35pm on 2006-12-29
It think Gateway and Dell laptops use that connector.
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posted by [personal profile] geekosaur at 08:39pm on 2006-12-29
That looks distinctly ferrous to me. (And I'd expect epoxy to look a bit glassy when broken.)
 
posted by [identity profile] malada.livejournal.com at 09:00pm on 2006-12-29
Yep, looks like a surface mount inductor. If it was in a Farraday cage it might have something to do with converting voltages up or down.

If you can find the pads where it belongs you might be able to put a touch of epoxy on it to hold it down, then use the finest soldering iron you can get to solder it back into place. With things this small it's not the components you need to worry about - it's the circuit board. Too much heat on them and the pads fry.

Good luck.

-m
 
posted by [identity profile] whc.livejournal.com at 09:20pm on 2006-12-29
It's not the soldering of surface mount parts that's hard, it's seeing what you are doing that's the problem!
 
posted by [identity profile] keith-m043.livejournal.com at 09:35pm on 2006-12-29
I have the schtuff to do SMT. I find that one only needs the smallest iron that radio snack has, some whisker solder, and a rosin pen. Magnification is nice, non metallic tweezers are also nice. the technique I like is to melt a measured amount/length of whisker solder onto the iron and then touch the iron to the joint and let it 'sweat' in. I can perform this operation if you wish.
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 06:58pm on 2006-12-30
That would be most nifty, thanks! I'd forgoten that you had been doing SMT recently.
 
posted by [identity profile] dfn-doe.livejournal.com at 10:30pm on 2006-12-29
The mickey mouse power connector is used in many laptop PSUs, they are available in bulk form from Fry's Electronics for about 5-6 bucks and are located, oddly enough, near the battery chargers.
 
posted by [identity profile] muzikmaker21.livejournal.com at 04:04am on 2006-12-30
Sooo...there's this bass in my living room...
 
posted by [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com at 06:48pm on 2006-12-30
Argh -- I had planned to phone and see whether I could pick it up between the meeting I'd planned to go to last night and grocery shopping, but I never even made it out of the house. Are you going to be around today?
 
posted by [identity profile] muzikmaker21.livejournal.com at 12:09am on 2006-12-31
Just saw this now and I'm not home at the moment, but I'll be home around 10pm. I don't expect you to come by that late.

I'll be home for some amount of time tomorrow afternoon around 2ish or so. That'll be the last day I'm home before I go to Disney for a week. Give me a call if you'd like to set up a time.
 
posted by [identity profile] garnet-rattler.livejournal.com at 01:30am on 2006-12-31
Definitely a surface-mount inductor. Is that apparent chip in the ~far side smooth or rough? If rough, this may change its value slightly as the core will distort the field and decrease the efficiency (increase the thermal losses). Also, you really want to find that chip, if there is one still floating about, before it shorts something.

Most likely, this was part of the back-light power circuit. It could be from a surge-resist section of something else, or a power conversion thingy, but I'm betting on the back-light. If the pads are torn off of the board, you may still be able to save it by soldering a very fine wire onto each lead coming to their former location and running them to the pads on the part, while glueing the part upside down onto the board with epoxy or such (leaving it just a bit above the board for insulation in case a trace runs too close). A good photo of the board should allow you to find where it came from and the condition of the site and pads. Do look around to se if it dented anything while rattling about.

Good luck ;-)

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