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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:26am on 2009-09-08

"It would also help if they went to the original--where the rhetorical ploys and bits taken from other texts sort of leap out.

"Paul is a wanker, but he's a lot less stupid in Koine."

-- [info] medievalist, 2009-08-16

[In response to [info] feorag's comment that, "You have to admit though, that the annoying hate-filled proseletysing types find much of their material in the words of Paul. Suspect none of them have actually read the words attributed to that Jesus guy in Matt 6."]

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posted by [personal profile] twistedchick at 09:31am on 2009-09-08
Paul *is* a wanker, writing (or dictating) in his second/third/whatever language, and there are times he's so earnest I want to export him to Oscar Wilde. But he has his moments, when he advocated absolute spiritual equality (neither slave nor free, woman nor man, Greek nor Jew but all one in Christ Jesus [excuse poor memory of translation; still have not slept]. Those moments, of course, are the ones that the hate-filled types don't go anywhere near.
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posted by [personal profile] passerine at 12:40pm on 2009-09-08
There's also some interesting research that "Paul" was actually a few different people, and the more prejudiced stuff wasn't by the real Paul.
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posted by (anonymous) at 01:05pm on 2009-09-08
I would be shocked, *shocked* SHOCKED if research managed to prove this suggestion was true.
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posted by [identity profile] kolraashgadol.livejournal.com at 01:46pm on 2009-09-08
spiritual equality (neither slave nor free, woman nor man, Greek nor Jew but all one in Christ Jesus

Actually this is an interesting bitof - let's call it anti-quotation.
He's responding to a common set of Greek ...I don't know that you could call them prayers, exactly, but something a bit more than idioms.
Apparently is was common for Greeks to have a sort of daily affirmation in which they would say thank the Gods for having made me neither a slave nor awoman.. that kind of thing. It's interesting to see what both the Jews and proto-Christians did with this, because both traditions have responses to it.
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posted by [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com at 02:42pm on 2009-09-08
Ultra-Orthodox Jews do that as well. Well, they omit the "slave" part. (Meh, property is property, no?)
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posted by [identity profile] kolraashgadol.livejournal.com at 01:04am on 2009-09-09
Actually all orthodox Jews (not just the ultra ones) say it, and they do include "...for not making me a slave." traditional, but non- Orthodox Jews reformulate the blessings into a positive format (for having made me a Jew; for having made me free..).
I actually did some research on the origin of this set of prayers, that's how I came across the whole Greek origin of this - it's a completely fascinating history.
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