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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:24am on 2016-06-22

"I don't even know how to communicate this clearly. I feel like I get reminded of the inconvenience and visibility of my gender pretty much all day. Pronouns, terms of address, bathrooms, shopping, interacting, corresponding – these are the tiny little things that make up day to day life, and they're all super gendered. I don't think that's as apparent if you're in a normative gender space, but when you're navigating a transition, or hold a non binary/gender queer identity, they all become little decisions and catches. How do I represent myself authentically here? Where do I fit? How can I be visible? Is this safe?

"Honestly, I'm often tired of thinking about gender. I would love to not think about it. I wish that existing in social spaces didn't make me have to think about it all the time. I really, really do have other things to think about. Oh, but here's an email for a survey for a service I use and enjoy. The second field? 'Sex: m/f'. Great."

-- Robot Hugs, 2016-05-25 (artist's note below comic)

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posted by (anonymous) at 02:02pm on 2016-06-22
If sex with the motherfucker is what is happening in the *second* field, what's going on in fields one and three? Having been a motherfucker myself, I have a personal interest here.

I think we need a broader set of customs around "we're inventing language here". Trans is a new concept, and so the people who *need* the language don't know what it is either, because they haven't invented it yet. And the people trying to talk with them/us are IME most often not trying to be unfriendly, it's that they don't know the as-yet nonexistent language either, and are guessing. Perhaps more of the flavor and custom of improv theatre might be useful here: "None of us know what we're doing, so wing it."

best,

Joel. Who's in favor of sex and gender, in as many flavors as are desirable and implementable.
eftychia: Female (Venus) symbol, with a transistor symbol inside the circle part (TransSister)
posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 10:48pm on 2016-06-22
Here's the thing: trans isn't new. Cis people have mostly just been Not Paying Attention when trans people have tried to talk about it for at least the last couple generations. Or paying attention for a while and then forgetting and saying "but it's so new" again the next time it comes up.

But the quotation isn't even mostly about the language -- more extent to which socially constructed spaces and perceptions are so gendered and the expectations are so binary gendered. It's not just the language or even mostly the language; it's the stuff the language describes or doesn't describe or confuses, most often doesn't describe because most people aren't noticing and talking about it. Unspoken assumptions, gender-lensed perceptions, and unexamined expectations.

But that's not new either.
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posted by [personal profile] firecat at 02:02am on 2016-06-23
I'm nonbinary and yes, I can really relate to this. I've started having weird reactions to purposelessly gendered phrases such as "hello, ladies & gentlemen." I can't hear them without translating them into "hello, people with vaginas and people with penises" and then thinking how weird it is that in many cultures it's required to formally address people with reference to such things. And to use pronouns that reference them.

[disclaimer: I know that lady does not always associate to vagina and gentleman to penis.]
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posted by [personal profile] gale_storm at 05:47pm on 2016-06-24
'Sex:' followed by a blank or perhaps an area in which to fill in times :-D

Oddly, this is about the only farging spot where the Danish language might make sense. They do have a pronoun without any gender. None. No need to venture into using a pronoun meant for plural usage just to buff over the genital sense. :-O :-D
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posted by [personal profile] cellio at 07:23pm on 2016-06-26
I think that most of us who are gender-conventional aren't trying to be hurtful or annoying; we don't know, in the moment, what is and isn't going to cause someone else a problem. Sadly, the burden of educating others always falls on the minority who's trying to get through to the majority.

Most of the time, when forms demand to know my sex (or gender) there's no reason for them to have that information. Even though I can definitively answer that question for myself, I tend to leave it blank when possible and choose random values when not. If they ask irrelevant questions, I'm not going to feel bad about messing up their data mining.

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