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posted by [personal profile] eftychia at 05:24am on 2018-01-03

"So, @sama wrote this piece where he says that 'we' should be entitled to say dumb shit because things that start as dumb shit may lead to good shit.

"I need people to understand this about minorities. Please. If you're from a historically oppressed group then...by survival...you've become extremely adept at detecting good faith arguments and bad faith arguments.

"I can tell you that black people and black families have been disagreeing with each other since Mansa Musa. In fact, I'd be willing to suggest that black people are the only people that constantly have intense, existential sociological arguments amongst themselves. What @sama is missing is that what he refers to as 'PC culture' is mainly people quickly nipping dangerous buds that have always grown into large problems.

"Here's an illustration: I know one black lawyer who got asked to remove a Malcolm X quote from their office's wall. But, this is not what Sam would couch as PC culture. By his own blog post, Sam would say restricting the ability to 'debate' the mental inferiority of blacks is PC culture.

"The one thing I hate about education is that it gives really, really wrong people, who are operating in bad faith, a 'smart sounding' accent that makes all of their sleights harder to catch.

"1. I do not know a single 'PC person' who wants to ban 'wacky' ideas. 2. 'Gay people are evil' is not a controversial idea. There is literally no controversy, no more than me saying I should be able to kill a person a day is 'controversial.' A brave person would say this idea is wrong and it has no home here. @sama is not a brave man.

"That's the thing that gets me. People are constantly trying to gaslight us with bad faith arguments and it is extremely transparent.

"Last point, my existential dread kicks in when I realize the far right, the far left, the terrifyingly wealthy, and the tech bros of San Fran are probably four years away from finding a point of unification and that behemoth's blind spots will do us all in."

-- KYLE A.B., 2017-12-15 (tweet thread ... excerpt of the piece the author is reacting to is attached as photo to first tweet)

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gingicat: deep purple lilacs, some buds, some open (Default)
posted by [personal profile] gingicat at 10:34am on 2018-01-03
True.

Jewish people, of late, have been having much more high-stakes arguments than previously. Unsurprisingly, it’s about the fact that half of us know that the Palestinian occupation is a horrible, horrible oppression that should never have happened while the other half are justifying it.
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posted by [personal profile] minoanmiss at 05:44am on 2018-01-04
Yeah, I thought of this while reading this -- it was my only point of disagreement with this excellent explanation.
gingicat: deep purple lilacs, some buds, some open (Default)
posted by [personal profile] gingicat at 10:36am on 2018-01-04
Yeah, I was thinking of saying “Jews too” but then I remembered horrible things fellow Jews have said to my face and refused to back down from. Many of them reject Black Lives Matter because BLM supports Palestinians! And then there are the people who forget that perhaps the Jewish person they’re whining to about “those people” may be receiving government assistance themselves.
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posted by [personal profile] siderea at 07:03am on 2018-01-04
Beaten to the punch!
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posted by [personal profile] gingicat at 10:32am on 2018-01-04
Yeah, I was thinking of saying “Jews too” but then I remembered horrible things fellow Jews have said to my face and refused to back down from. The Harold Feld quote from a few days back explains why, but it doesn’t excuse it. (Also, Harold is an awesome and kind person and one of many people I never, ever, EVER discuss Israel with.)
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posted by [personal profile] elf at 06:06pm on 2018-01-03
Looks like "wacky ideas" is the new euphemism for "irrational bigotry."
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posted by [personal profile] minoanmiss at 05:46am on 2018-01-04
Word (with the caveat mentioned above). I am so tired of people who think we need to be debating whether gay people are evil, Black people should be eliminated in a "soft genocide", women are a priori less intelligent and capable than men, etc. So fucking tired. Almost too tired to be terrified.

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