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I get insomnia the night I take them, and drowsiness the day after.

Ah. Insomnia the first night, various symptoms of sleep-deprivation other than drowsiness the next day, zonked out completely the second night ... sounds close enough to what you described. (Basically the insomnia part lasting longer?) Hmm. Makes my guess seem pretty likely. Thanks.

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Glad I could help.

I'm seriously thinking about getting a Real Medicine (TM) and stop fooling around with herbal stuff, because I have some really bad troubles getting to sleep.

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This was MyoCalm P.M., supposed to keep my legs from waking me up in the middle of the night. On the plus side, my legs did not cramp, near-cramp, or twitch the first two nights, but that didnt do meany good the first nightwith the not sleeping a wink anyhow ... last night/this morning, my body split the difference -- insomnia that eventually did give way to brief (but interrupted) sleep, but calf pain on waking.

Last night wasn't much different from 30-40% of my nights without the MyoCalm, so unless I take it long enough to observe patterns, I don't know whether the supplement had anything to do with it. But that first night felt (at least subjectively) different from other bouts of insomnia -- I felt drugged -- to spark my question about valerian. (Especially with the number of atypical reactions I've had to central nervous system drugs.)

Depending on how often the really nasty effects occur, I may stop the experiment early.

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if the leg cramps are a big problem, you might want to take a look at your levels of magnesium and calcium

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If you're a human, you'll paradoxically react like a cat, and vice versa. (Theoretically, the stuff is supposed to make humans mellow and cats hyper.)

acctually...it's a full blown halluceonagenic for cats. and in some humans ( like me) it causes deep sleep with severely vivid/visionistic (is this a word or me being me?) dreams.

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Hmm. I had extremely vivid dreams that I seemed to enter and leave without ever falling asleep. Those would cound as hallucinations, but the feeling was 'dream". The not falling asleep first was unsettling though.

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no saying yuo didn't fall asleep first luv. Your concious mind may have just been too wiped to bother to notice as normal. I've had it happen to me now and again.

And then there is the other realm of possibilities out there. All dependant upon your belifes, and what you feel you and your mind and conciousness are capable of. That being said you may have either astral projected as your body and logical mind were so worn out as to present no barrier for yuo subconciousmind and latent ( or active) talents. Or you had a dream walk/vision.
But that's what my silly mind has come up with.

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True, I can't actually say for sure I didn't sleep to dream, since

anniemal wasn't awake to observe me; my subjective perception was of a seamless transition between waking, dreaming, and waking, with no perception of falling asleep, waking from sleep, or having slept. It could have been "microsleep", if one dreams during that.

As for the mystical stuff, I don't think so. It didn't feel like any of those things, and while I don't remember now what the dreams were, at the time my impression was that the subjects were basic dreamstuff, neither resembling remote or astral views of other places, nor feeling like I'd left my body, nor seeming to have prophetic or relevatory significance. At least not like any of those thingshave felt in the past. Despite the hypnagogic state, I think I was too tired or too wired (or both) for those types of phenomena. (Or, of course, just randomly didn't experience them because they don't spontaneously happen to me all that often anyhow.)

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well as i said was where my mind wandere around with that.:)

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"Meow". (Actually not so much hyper as "wired" in my case. But it looks like my guess as to the cause was right.)

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Add hyper for me, too.

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Just "wide awake" in my case.
Well, you could add "annoyed at being wide awake".

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Ugh, paradoxes make me nauseous! lol

Did it make you angry? hyper? agitated? horny?

Unable to sleep at all, but vivid waking dreams on and off (much like the types of hallucinations from having been awake much longer than I had been -- but as described above, "felt like dream", not "felt like hallucination"). For the next day, I felt like I'd been awake for three days. Second night: slept. Third night: insomnia but less intensely so than the first night (I did eventually sleep for a couple hours this morning).

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Velerian is contraindicated with many meds for depression and meds for anxiety because it can cause a reverse affect. That's why I don't take it. But that's the only thing I knew about it.

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In case anyone wants the full list ... the label on the jar says:
Calcium lactate (75 mg)
Magnesium citrate (150 mg)
Passionflower flower 270 mg
Passionflower flower 5.35:1 extract 30 mg
Valerian root 135 mg
Valerian root 6.15:1 extract 15 mg
Hops flower, Strobile 270 mg
Hops cone 7.5:1 extract 30 mg
Lemon balm leaf 5;1 extract 150 mg

(These numbers are for three tablets, so taking 1/3 or 2/3 as much would be trivial.)

I've been taking 500 mg of calcium at bedtime for quite a while. Adding these pills is a new experiment.

perhaps you'd do better to take the magnesium and calcium (separately works better) and the hops, and skip the rest?
Well, the lemon balm ought to be innocuous enough.

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Like too much caffeine, I'd expect - anxiety and sleeplessness.

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